Recently equivalent two Austrian Diözesanbischöfe visited a Pfarrei in the Diözese Linz. One week later placed this Pfarrei again under proof that one needs no instructions from above there.

(, Wels kreuz.net) in the catholic Welser education house lock Puchberg took place of 14. by 16 October a Austria-far conference of constant deacons.

The city Wels is in the Federal state upper Austria, approximately 25 kilometers southwest from Linz.

For the conclusion of the conference celebrated the two bishops with same surname - Mons. Ludwig black from Linz and Mons. Alois black from Gurk Klagenfurt - in the Pfarrei pc. Franziskus Wels Laahen a holy fair.


Due to the spatial proximity to the education house it does not surprise that exactly the Pfarrei became pc. Franziskus for this conclusion fair chosen.

Perhaps but there was still another another reason.

It meets that the Pfarrei pc. Franziskus in Wels provides again and again - also in foreign language media - for headlines.

Thus for example the Linzer message portal reported `kath.net', that the there deacon at the three-king celebration of this year a holy fair simulated.

The two bishops might have used their visit in the Pfarrei therefore certainly also in order to make the local religiousness attentive on their responsibility and the order of the church.

The Jesuit and church teacher the Liturgie already called Robert Bellarmin († 1621) one of those places in the time of the reformation, where the church unit comes to the expression or not to the expression.

It seems however that the bischöfliche visit did not bring good fruits out in the Pfarrei pc. Franziskus. The harvest thank celebration, which only one week was committed later in the Pfarrei pc. Franziskus in Wels, supplied the proof for it.

The cause took place at the same time with the Roman Weltbischofssynode over the Eucharist.

The thank fair for the fruits of the past yearly was read not in the parish church, but, where the sky gives humans the fruits of the earth - on free field.

It is to be taken from the homepage of the Pfarrei that the fair was committed at the same time as „political service “. Closer details in addition are not to be found on the Internet site.

To survey the rustikalen Mostkrüge on the prettily arranged altar replacement was not during the field fair.

A young lady in priest-similar clothes stood for the Klerus actively to the side.

With the Austeilung the holy coming union a broad Tonteller with probably-baked whole-meal bread disks replaced the round communion wafers, the liturgical altar equipment and other spirit-killing liturgical details.

The Kommunionspendung with pieces of bread and clay/tone cups sets new yardsticks in the urgently necessary emphasis of the meal character of the holy fair and is a further milestone in a lifenear leading of the Eucharist to the lifenear everyday life of humans - an anonymous Liturgiefachmann explained.

Others - which set into the bishop new-called von Linz large hopes - it is now convinced of the fact that the Pfarrei pc. Franziskus of Wels may count shortly again on a bischöflichen visit.

Irenäus: @Bernado

I would guard to lay this paragraph out in such a way as if he would from downside contain a full power of attorney for any activity of „communities “. It is always risky to interpret legislation in the sense of a Selbstentmächtigung of the legislator.
So, so. Thus it is completely harmless to go to a priest who denies that homosexuality is a sin, which donum vitae supports, and/or denies the welfare necessity for the church. I wish you then much fun thereby, with such priests beichten to go, finally am „the council church “nevertheless a part of the fun company, or?

Asteriskus: @Bernardo

Thanks for your surely wohlmeinden reference. I possess a CIC in the Latin-German translation. and know contents quite well.
I want to remain nothing else, as Roman - catholic, so, as my ancestors were and remained. But they took to much on itself, up to occasional driving out from their houses in a nearly purely Protestant village. But this is noted only at the edge. For quite some time a howling and tooth crunching from the progressive camp surprises me, if it concerns Roman-catholic positions. From where come only, if the teachings did not experience any change angbeblich nevertheless and everything like that are, how does it always was??? Let me remain simply Roman catholic. More does not want needs it, me been sufficient that.

Bernado: @asteriskus

The fraglische paragraph reads: CAN. the church for the outside as implementing line force which is missing for the internal range likewise replaces 144 - § 1. with an actually available or general mistake and with a positive and justified on the right of or fact doubt, which can be accepted legally.

I would guard to lay this paragraph out in such a way as if he would from downside contain a full power of attorney for any activity of „communities “. It is always risky to interpret legislation in the sense of a Selbstentmächtigung of the legislator.

Asteriskus: @Irenäus, @Bernardo

@Irenäus: Thanks for the reference to Can.144 §1.
I see that exactly the same.
@Bernardo: Also thanks you for the probably-meant reference. But it does not change my attitude. If its and disobedience were not authorized sin, then I can however a whole quantity actions of the church, of which I was a witness, in question placed.

Irenäus: @Bernado

I refer 144 to canons.

Bernado: @asteriskus

They wrote: “I experience as emergency conditions. Legal donating of the Bußsakramentes by priests of the FSSPX is certain for me. “
For it perhaps. For the church right not. For legal hearing of the Beichte the priest needs the authorization (Facultas) by the responsible local bishop. If those is not present, the Bußsakrament is not rightfully donated.
The question of the validity and the further question, to what extent the participants of the illegitimate action versündigen, stands oneself then still on another sheet.