The German bishop conference forbids an activity to church coworkers during the pregnant woman consultation rejected by the church `Donum vitae'.

(kreuz.net) for the German bishops a cooperation is incompatible with the association `Donum vitae' with a church activity.

The explained bishop conference according to a report, which was recheriert together of `the Frankfurt general Zeitung' and `the Cologne city Anzeiger'.

`Donum vitae' was created in September 1999 against the will of the German bishops. The combination advises pregnant mothers and issues them when desired also consulting confirmations. These can be used in Germany for a legal child abortion.

The recent dissociation of the bishop conference is published in the coming days in the Officials Journal of the dioceses.

Thus the resolution receives validity in law.

Which are the punitive measures in case of contravening, did not become known.

Furthermore the bishop conference explained that it acts with `Donum vitae' around a combination outside of the catholic church.

Therefore no institutional and personnel co-operation with the German Caritasverband and `the social service of catholic Frauen' are possible.

Who transfers to church advice and co-operation committees as well as to church federations and organizations responsibility, „for the purpose of the larger clarity of the church certification without a leading cooperation in Donum vitae is to do “.

So the differences between `Donum could be emphasized vitae' and to the position of the church better.

In opinion of the bishops clarification serves „the unit of the church “. Believer and bishops are together bound to „the measure gifts of the Pope “.

After information `of the Frankfurt Allgemeinen' the resolution of the German bishop conference of an appropriate request of the Glaubenskongregation follows.

In November 2000 the Nuntius at that time in Germany, archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, had stated on behalf the Glaubenskongregation that `Donum Vitae' is „in an open contradiction to the instructions of the holy father “.

The activity of the association darkens „the certification of the catholic church, for all members - clergyman, medal people and laymen - responsibility carries “.

möchtegern kathole: New Kongregation

somewhat ironically one should recommend the establishment of one to the dad Raz „Kongregation for Germanic affairs “and the German bishops the klösterliche life

Jörg Guttenberger, Cologne: Abortion

It concerns here convicition and ethicsethics ethics.

It is completely clear that the churches may not issue discretely „consulting lights “killing licenses mentioned. I stand from there without reservation on the side of Rome, which forbids such completely rightfully.

On the other hand me held out (of me not verifiably), in countries with as good as absolute abortion prohibition (i.e. only exception with irresponsible Gefährung of the life of the mother) is higher the number of illegal abortions, than with us the number „of legal “.

From this the following questions result:

1. Is this statement correct?

2. If this statement is correct, it shows only that a prohibition uses alone nothing. Here still another quantity of consciousness-shaping is to be carried out, and primarily a convinced and a convincing closed appearance of the churches are in demand. Different opinion within the churches do not work convincingly

The exhibition by consulting lights effectuation anyhow the impression, the churches approve of the killing of the unborn ones and affects from there noble-end Bewußtseins-und conscience formation.

It happens already today very much from church and private for pregnancy conflicts. But obviously happens not yet enough.

legeslegmegszentségtelenithetetlenségeskedéseitekért †: Explanation

Who needs for it an explanation, which one cannot help any longer.
Thanks for this honest sentence.
If it would concern circumstances, which are to be explained simply, then they could surely apply the intellectual capacities to supply this explanation.
Thus you placed at least except controversy that this is not the case and cannot the explanation not be furnished. Now would be to be still explained:
Can't it be furnished a), because there are not it?
Or can't it be furnished b), because it designs so artificially, to which hair here-pulled and confused is that it would be too aufwändig you, it to furnish?
Or does it know c) - which I do not assume - for the reason am not furnished, since your reservoir at intellectual capacities is exhausted?

Benedikt: @ aschera

Therefore I assume that this an result-open consultation it does not offer, but one, which clearly to it is aligned, to increase the conversion of the abortion hospitals.
I personally find that precariously, very precariously!

Precariously? That would be plain and simply illegal (§ 219 StGB). In all other respects there are naturally further church advisory boards - they issue only no more lights.

Rodolfo Panetta: Pleasing clarification!

This pleasing clarification is overdue. With us in the circle joy city reads itself the list of names of „Donum Vitae “like „the Who is who? “the local functionary catholicism. The woman of the district administrator, a sister of Erwin devil, is a chairman. One has the impression, as means „catholic its “for many primarily resistance against Rome to carry out.

methusalix †: It reminds nevertheless much of a certain Pontius Pilatus,

which the church officials drive there. They say: „We do not want to be with debt at abortions! “
They are exact at the abortions with debt, could which be prevented by a einfühlsame church consultation. But it, in view of the Rabulistik, can which are operated also by highest church officials (Meisner of Cologne, e.g.), such a thing at all to give?