A Bavarian priest spoke with a Primizpredigt about the Liturgiereform and called the child somewhat too clearly with the name. But the priests of the environment of the insulted reform hurried now heroful to assistance.

(, wedding stone kreuz.net) on 9 July that kept Kaplan Willi Schallinger in the Bavarian locality pc. Leonhard a 45minütige Primizpredigt Munich.

Pc. Leonhard is sixty kilometers east of Munich. Kaplan Schallinger preached in the Primizmesse of Hw. Gottfried Grengel. The Kaplan was before Hw. Grengel of the last Primiziant, which came out from the village.

In its Primizpredigt criticized Kaplan Schallinger the new fair as Satanswerk. This reported those local newspaper `Traunsteiner Tagblatt'.


The prohibition of the old measuring celebration is radical and incomprehensible - so the Kaplan: It has a shocking prehistory from gloomy sources. The priest called „the dark spirit “of the German Reformers Martin Luther († 1546) and „of the freemasons Liturgiebewegung of the 60's “infiltrated.

Pope Paul VI. († 1978), who the new measuring book published, has certified that all specifically catholic one - above all the victim character - from the Meßliturgie disappeared. That is a betrayal of the liturgical tradition of the church.

Many priests are disconcerted, because the fair no more than victims of Christ, but than ritual meal is regarded.

The Primiziant - of as much pulpit courage obviously frightened - makes a backdown before `the Traunsteiner Tagblatt' and dissociated themselves along also from its Primizprediger. He did not suspect, which message of the Kaplan wanted to give to its listeners.

Kaplan Schallinger was dedicated in the year 1970 to the priest and works since then as Kaplan in Munich. The priest prays each Saturday at that Munich Mariensäule the Rosenkranz.

The Primizpredigt in pc. Leonhard had a sequel with the youngest, monthly taking place meeting of the priests and Seelsorger of the Dekanates wedding stone.

This concerns the Heimatdekanat of Pope Benedikt XVI.

The Dekanatskonferenz hurried to bring back and right catholic and apostolischen faith defend the church again in the village.

Thereby she explained that many believer by the clear lecture had been confused.

Primizprediger Schallinger has private opinions - which would not stand in conformity with the theories of the catholic church - to official church documents kundgetan. Therefore a statement is announced „to these scandalous expressions “.

The catholic church records to it, „that we in the Eucharist the celebration of death and the resurrection of our Mr. Jesu of Christ commits and this in the form of a meal. “

With the Liturgiereform of the yearly 1970 this urchristliche tradition decreasing/going back on Jesus was again taken up. One stressed again the participation in the meal for all believers.

Therefore one returned also again to local languages. Also Jesus spoke Latin with the last communion Aramäisch - not.

The Dekanatskonferenz expressed itself also to the statements of the Kaplans over Martin Luther.

Even if still painfully from the separation it suffers the Christian churches it cannot concern that important „faith witnesses of “other Christian religions were reviled.

Pope Benedikt XVI. in its time as a cardinal 1998 considerably in `the common explanation to the justification teachings of the Lutheri world league and the catholic Kirche' participated. Therein again expressly without any mutual accusation and insult one do.

The Dekanatskonferenz of wedding stone dissociated itself from this kind „of the attack “on the second Vatikani council and from „discrediting expressions “over Martin Luther and the lutherischen communities.

The large merit/service of the council of Trient (1545-1563) the standardization of the Liturgie was:

„We are convinced of that it contradicts the spirit of the Tridentinum like also the second Vatikanum deeply, if this unit is to be destroyed now on the new. “

Tardevenientibus: Laboriously…

For one `late Kommer' is not easy it to work itself and then also still register by the many opinions. - Something seems to me in the debate too briefly come, which however persons, who were with the whole celebration thereby, stress: the larger part of the lecture encouraged nevertheless the Primizianten with referring to the Curé d'Ars, Padre Pio, to the assistance of the Patrona Bavariae, on the prayer in this year for religious occupations and on the gläubigen and reverenceful execution of the fair, independently of the current form. - By the way I found no concrete place in my effort with the council texts still over such forms. Perhaps someone can help me.

Malachias †: @23er Hansl

There I agree completely with you…!

The kind of the coming union receipt might have to be regarded probably rather as akzidentell, i.e. not belonging to the nature (tlichen), during e.g. the transformation words (also in their loyalty to the installation words Jesu!) quite to the Essenziellen, i.e. substantial one or the nature determining, belong.

Also for „faith “there are two understanding ways:
- fides quae creditur: what is to be believed/is believed, speak the faith sets or dogmas
and
- fides qua creditur: that, as is believed, speak the faith as existenzieller act of humans.

Also here Zweiteres might be the more substantial and more important one. Applied to Madonnas and Marienverehrung:
It is not so importantly/substantial, before which Madonna I prays. If I recognize and admire the God mother in each case therein, it leads to the substantial one, on it arrives letzendlich…!

23er Hansl: tja. Weils stop always on it arrives, whether one believes or for-true-holds, gives it hires,…

… less or more disconcert.
There are things, which can lift the faith from the fishing rods, and humans to arrange know to want to leave the religious community for good reasons. If such things concern a majority of the members of a community in same or similar form, it comes sooner or later either to a splitting or to a decay of the community.
If it concerns a bare for true stops of facts, then each somewhat more founded questioning can release such a process; in the case it is also logical that for true stops also as a consequence it has that performative religious actions receive the character from magic-mechanical effect strength, which has again to the logical consequence that they also lose these, if they are not accomplished with the utmost care precision. In the case it could theoretically already be that such little things receive such effect power.
I am the opinion that the Roman-catholic church is not a community, for which am valid, and that the faith is in this church a genuine faith and no bare for true stops. Therefore am I the view that this statement is straw stupid, possesses no truth content and is from unsurpassable irrelevance. Thus I would like to diminish non as subordinately - the meaning of orthopraktischen elements, but if someone the opinion is, the existence of the church stands and falls with the mouth coming union, I please you…

Malachias †: @23er Hansl

do not mean that the statement: „If we it managed that the catholics the hand coming union to practice, have we it created. “leaves on a not particularly bright spirit to close?
What did you become similar statements e.g. regarding (traditional) the fair, the papacy, which Marienverehrung, which gives it - so or similarly - also, said? All things, those (in the jargon akzidentell) for the catholic faith are insignificant and on which we well do without can…?

Benedikt: q.e.d.

After Malachias there is thus two churches - the FSSPX and the council church. Is most interesting. It contradicts the church teachings however perfectly.

Malachias †: @Marcellinus

Innumerable Madonnas of wrong and church appreciative „feature places “are located in our chapels and churches.
Of what do you think concretely? Most of the Madonnas - at least in the German-speaking countries - might lean either against Lourdes (Unbefleckte Empfängnis) or Fatima (Unbeflecktes heart Mariens).
Those probably do not have you however meant…?!

They are a part of the atrocities of our council church.
1. From the name I would regard you spontaneously as FSSPX more ler. As such you identify yourselves then however nevertheless with „our council church “?

2. After Marienverehrung according to large holy ones - causes at least (Kentenich) - (Grignion of Montfort) is welfare necessary: Does it make really so a large difference, which feature place is to be assigned the Madonna? Or would it be you rather, everywhere in this regard perfectly harmless grace picture „three times of the marvelous mother to have queen and winner of beautiful place “before itself…?