Gibson buys a church
If it concerns the money, in circulation set Antisemitismusvorwürfe grows silent also at a suitable moment.
The real estate stands in the catholic Diözese Greensburg. She is to be bought on 1 September over a stooge for converted scarcely 600,000 euros.
The Methodists leave the building in favor of a larger object.
The involved real estate agent explained at the beginning of August before that to local newspaper `post office Gazette', that a woman as a buyer arose, who had not said not Gibson hot and him on behalf which church it negotiates.
„It was communicated us that latin fair is read here “- reported a councillor of the Methodists.
The local newspaper `Pittsburgh Tribune Revier' got to know that the building was purchased by „the church pc. Michael “.
When church pc. Michael became also a building of chapels designation, which was planned in the same area on a ten hectare large property. This property had acquired father Gibson beginning this yearly. Obviously these plans were given up after the purchase of the methodistischen church.
The financing of the church purchase is made by the California `Weltglaubensstiftung' - `World Faith Foundation'. behind the foundation stand for hat clay/tone Gibson and/or its son Mel.
The priest, who is intended for the support of the new church, is called Hw. Leonard Bealko. The clergyman belonged until 1986 to the Diözese Greensburg. Then it was suspended, because it turned to the old person fair.
Hat clay/tone Gibson came to at the beginning of of August into the headlines, because it had called the National Socialist genocide at the Jews allegedly fiction. At the same time its son said Mel Gibson in the intoxication that the Jews were debt at all wars of the world.
In view of the rumors around the buyer of their church, the Methodists felt forced to a statement.
One does not want to sell the church to a Antisemiten - a councillor meant. However is not clear yet, who the new owner of the church is. One tries to examine straight rumors and facts.
The purchase will go however in any case over the stage. It was difficult for the Methodists to get rid the church at the demanded price. Church places had shown no interest in the building.
To the church sale even the rabbi of the synagogue of Greensburg took position.
He explained that he would not prevent the traditionalists despite anti-Semitic statements from the purchase. In the United States finally give it the freedom of religion:
„Recent history around Mel Gibson seems to have been blown up for me for the ratio. “
In the society of the USA more important things would happen.
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6 of 13 reader opinions:Thursday, 24 August 2006 22:46
Athanasius: @BEnedikt
Reagier' times not so sourly!
No, then the facts do not stand. The expressions cardinal are not automatically official teachings.
He is a theologian, from that 15. , I believe century. In view of the Avignon question one was occupied at that time with it. By the way it refers after many other theologians. At that time there were many anti-Popes, or it many gave.
They must submit to me first, where and when a theologian or the Hl. Chair Sedisvakantisten explained as formal Schismatikern.
The term Roman-catholic depends not on the Adhesio too for instance JP II., but on the Adhesio to the faith teachings. Naturally I agree with you that the SVisten errs practically, but nevertheless remain it röm. - catholic.
No, then the facts do not stand. The expressions cardinal are not automatically official teachings.
He is a theologian, from that 15. , I believe century. In view of the Avignon question one was occupied at that time with it. By the way it refers after many other theologians. At that time there were many anti-Popes, or it many gave.
They must submit to me first, where and when a theologian or the Hl. Chair Sedisvakantisten explained as formal Schismatikern.
The term Roman-catholic depends not on the Adhesio too for instance JP II., but on the Adhesio to the faith teachings. Naturally I agree with you that the SVisten errs practically, but nevertheless remain it röm. - catholic.
Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:06
Benedikt: @ Athanasius
Nonsense, you Petri that want are catholic only in community with each successor (would be).
That is nevertheless a hollow cliche, if one wants to determine before, which Pope is catholic.
Juan cardinal de Lugo says that someone that the Pope the community refused because it its choice doubted not is schismatisch?
I do not have notion, who this cardinal is, but if someone wants to state that one can be also catholic without Pope, then can one equal papacy abolish. One knows a larger favour we is church & CO. do not make at all.
and häretisch, in which one denies faith truths of the Roman-catholic faith. The SVisten does that not and never.
Oh so, and which is with P. Lingen, whose considerations lead inevitably to the fact that the sakramentale structure of the church stops to exist?
simply the fact remains that for instance the supporters of the Avignoneser of Pope were just as catholic 1410 as the supporters of the legitimate Pope
This comparison is almost absurd. They do not want nevertheless seriously suggest that any could be really legitimate this spinnerten Gegenpäpste.
Thus the facts stand simply.
No, then the facts do not stand. The expressions cardinal are not automatically official teachings.
Catholic its hangs however not of a certain Pope person, separate from doctrine.
That is pure relativism.
That is nevertheless a hollow cliche, if one wants to determine before, which Pope is catholic.
Juan cardinal de Lugo says that someone that the Pope the community refused because it its choice doubted not is schismatisch?
I do not have notion, who this cardinal is, but if someone wants to state that one can be also catholic without Pope, then can one equal papacy abolish. One knows a larger favour we is church & CO. do not make at all.
and häretisch, in which one denies faith truths of the Roman-catholic faith. The SVisten does that not and never.
Oh so, and which is with P. Lingen, whose considerations lead inevitably to the fact that the sakramentale structure of the church stops to exist?
simply the fact remains that for instance the supporters of the Avignoneser of Pope were just as catholic 1410 as the supporters of the legitimate Pope
This comparison is almost absurd. They do not want nevertheless seriously suggest that any could be really legitimate this spinnerten Gegenpäpste.
Thus the facts stand simply.
No, then the facts do not stand. The expressions cardinal are not automatically official teachings.
Catholic its hangs however not of a certain Pope person, separate from doctrine.
That is pure relativism.
Thursday, 24 August 2006 18:48
Athanasius: @Benedikt
Nonsense, you Petri that want are catholic only in community with each successor (would be). And not with Nichtkatholiken. Dás is however no Schismatismus.
To the orthodox ones? Do I have to agree now also to the Ostschismatikern, because Juan says cardinal de Lugo that someone that the Pope the community refused because it its choice doubted not is schismatisch? Their logic escapes me perfectly.
Yes, perhaps is also with the old catholics like that? Should be examined as soon as possible.
Nonsense. The old catholics are both schismatisch (one is suitable dioceses on, which do not make however the sports association), and häretisch, in whom one denies faith truths of the Roman-catholic faith. The SVisten does that not and never.
They may quote the canonical right, but simply the fact remains the fact that for instance the supporters of the Avignoneser of Pope were just as catholic 1410 as the supporters of the legitimate Pope (in Rome resided).
„Also one is not Schismatiker because of the refusal of the subordination the Pope if it good argued doubts has beginning the legitimacy of its choice or his power [refers thereby after Sanchez and Palao]. “(Card. de Lugo SJ: Planning manager, De Virt. Fid. Div., planning manager xxv, sect. iii, nn. 35-41)
Thus the facts stand simply. 1410 like today were valid to be subordinate the dogma to the Roman Pope for the eternal welfare. That knew De Lugo already. Catholic its hangs however not of a certain Pope person, separate from doctrine.
To the orthodox ones? Do I have to agree now also to the Ostschismatikern, because Juan says cardinal de Lugo that someone that the Pope the community refused because it its choice doubted not is schismatisch? Their logic escapes me perfectly.
Yes, perhaps is also with the old catholics like that? Should be examined as soon as possible.
Nonsense. The old catholics are both schismatisch (one is suitable dioceses on, which do not make however the sports association), and häretisch, in whom one denies faith truths of the Roman-catholic faith. The SVisten does that not and never.
They may quote the canonical right, but simply the fact remains the fact that for instance the supporters of the Avignoneser of Pope were just as catholic 1410 as the supporters of the legitimate Pope (in Rome resided).
„Also one is not Schismatiker because of the refusal of the subordination the Pope if it good argued doubts has beginning the legitimacy of its choice or his power [refers thereby after Sanchez and Palao]. “(Card. de Lugo SJ: Planning manager, De Virt. Fid. Div., planning manager xxv, sect. iii, nn. 35-41)
Thus the facts stand simply. 1410 like today were valid to be subordinate the dogma to the Roman Pope for the eternal welfare. That knew De Lugo already. Catholic its hangs however not of a certain Pope person, separate from doctrine.
Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:10
Benedikt: @ Athanasius
The Sedisvakantisten is Roman catholic and wants in the unit with the successor Petri.
Only with the successor, that them genehm is. That is not Roman catholic not. Their justification of the Sedisvakantisten has whether your other statements to orthodox one etc. little substance.
Their Thesis is neither Häresie nor Schisma, but simply wrong application.
Yes, perhaps is also with the old catholics like that? Should be examined as soon as possible.
As said, you can cry still so hard that the people denied Johannes Paul II. for instance because of Häresie the papacy to Schismatiker are, but truely become it not. At the most one is materially schismatisch.
I do not need to cry:
Schismatiker can do someone (…)become:
a) (…) because it the Pope not when head recognizes
b) (…) because he refuses, with the members of the church, which recognizes the Pope, a community to have. (zit. n. Jone, CIC CAN 1325 § 2)
For this is to be summarized:
Sedisvakantisten à la P. Lingen do not recognize the Pope on as head. They designate besides those, which do, want this as a member of a sect with them no community to thus have.
Result: They are in the double sense Schismatiker.
Only with the successor, that them genehm is. That is not Roman catholic not. Their justification of the Sedisvakantisten has whether your other statements to orthodox one etc. little substance.
Their Thesis is neither Häresie nor Schisma, but simply wrong application.
Yes, perhaps is also with the old catholics like that? Should be examined as soon as possible.
As said, you can cry still so hard that the people denied Johannes Paul II. for instance because of Häresie the papacy to Schismatiker are, but truely become it not. At the most one is materially schismatisch.
I do not need to cry:
Schismatiker can do someone (…)become:
a) (…) because it the Pope not when head recognizes
b) (…) because he refuses, with the members of the church, which recognizes the Pope, a community to have. (zit. n. Jone, CIC CAN 1325 § 2)
For this is to be summarized:
Sedisvakantisten à la P. Lingen do not recognize the Pope on as head. They designate besides those, which do, want this as a member of a sect with them no community to thus have.
Result: They are in the double sense Schismatiker.
Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:00
Athanasius: @BEnedikt
Material theology is not your strongest point. The Sedisvakantisten is Roman catholic and wants in the unit with the successor Petri.
Their Thesis is neither Häresie nor Schisma, but simply wrong application.
As said, you can cry still so hard that the people denied Johannes Paul II. for instance because of Häresie the papacy to Schismatiker are, but truely become it not. At the most one is materially schismatisch.
But Juan cardinal De Lugo SJ is for me more authority than your emotions, which are understandable, but nevertheless wrong conclusions point out.
Their Thesis is neither Häresie nor Schisma, but simply wrong application.
As said, you can cry still so hard that the people denied Johannes Paul II. for instance because of Häresie the papacy to Schismatiker are, but truely become it not. At the most one is materially schismatisch.
But Juan cardinal De Lugo SJ is for me more authority than your emotions, which are understandable, but nevertheless wrong conclusions point out.
Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:04
Benedikt: @ Athanasius
The confusion was not donated by the Sedisvakantisten, but of the nachkonziliaren Popes.
Clearly, debt are always the others.
The dogma is called to be above all Roman catholic.
And that, Athanasius, can be done only, if one is not located in UNIT with the Roman Pope and otherwise. Otherwise you call the orthodox ones please-beautifully never again Schismatiker!
@ Stephanus
how many humans do not have me in annoying tendency the Pope are said already a Pope, but finally they could not justify it.
P. Lingen believes to be able to justify it and „annoying “is already somewhat longer it. Its Sedisvakantismus is no more short phase.
I so often think back at times, when the newest pieces of news were not spread further yet by fax and handy, but where and was alarm unit pus offered on the way. often for weeks! there the newly selected Pope was already again dead,
Thus ask, over such knowledge gaps concerning the question whether already Pope was selected or does not go it here now really not. It concerns people, which state that the chair Petri is vakant since 1958.
who Jew is eigendlich and who not
The comparison does not pull here. No statement is to be made, whether the Sedisvakantisten is Christians, but whether they are Roman catholic. Röm kath can only be, who stands with the Pope in Rome in unit.
Clearly, debt are always the others.
The dogma is called to be above all Roman catholic.
And that, Athanasius, can be done only, if one is not located in UNIT with the Roman Pope and otherwise. Otherwise you call the orthodox ones please-beautifully never again Schismatiker!
@ Stephanus
how many humans do not have me in annoying tendency the Pope are said already a Pope, but finally they could not justify it.
P. Lingen believes to be able to justify it and „annoying “is already somewhat longer it. Its Sedisvakantismus is no more short phase.
I so often think back at times, when the newest pieces of news were not spread further yet by fax and handy, but where and was alarm unit pus offered on the way. often for weeks! there the newly selected Pope was already again dead,
Thus ask, over such knowledge gaps concerning the question whether already Pope was selected or does not go it here now really not. It concerns people, which state that the chair Petri is vakant since 1958.
who Jew is eigendlich and who not
The comparison does not pull here. No statement is to be made, whether the Sedisvakantisten is Christians, but whether they are Roman catholic. Röm kath can only be, who stands with the Pope in Rome in unit.
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