A discussion about Zölibat pointed recently to Kostheim with Mainz, which priorities are set by church coworkers.

(, Kostheim kreuz.net) in the middle of Septembers organized the catholic church municipalities Kostheim, which belongs to the diocese Mainz, a discussion round.

Mainz Kostheim is the southernmost quarter of Wiesbaden. Up to the war it belonged to Mainz.

The meeting stood under the topic: „Brother minister, sister Pfarrerin - as you live? [Sic] is the Zölibat still up-to-date? “

Like always with such - potentially slippery - topics came the onlookers into crowds.

The reported `the general one Zeitung', to the group of publishing houses the Rhine Main with seat in Mainz belongs.

At short notice even still additionally banks had to be set up.

After a play with the usual statements - „who knows, how the church must pay many alimony annually? “- selected Bible quotations were read out.

It showed up - in opinion `of the general Zeitung' - that also the holy writing seems contradictory:

One see in creation history living together man and woman as ideal, the Ehelosigkeit than sample picture one describe a little later.

The high point of the evening was however the talc round, which was led by a Pastoralreferenten.

As first interlocutors stepped the Kostheimer minister, Hw. Gottfried Scholz, on the stage.

It reported before met public of his decision-making process of many years, catholic minister to become and the Zölibat promise.

At the same time it stressed that beforeless do not live meant to live relationshipless. Because also a priest has friends, used and trusted friends in the municipality.

In the contrast in addition Claudia white Kuhl stood. It is married protestant Pfarrerin in Ruesselsheim - approximately 10 kilometers east of Mainz -, with a likewise protestant minister and mother.

The requirements of the pubertierenden daughter can be united sometimes somewhat more heavily with those the municipality with it. But a life in the Zölibat cannot introduce itself it personally.

Then the 41jährige catholic deacon Klaus Hess came to word, which worked before in a travel agency.

It felt it as „enormous progress “that it the church permits as a deacon to have woman and children.

Another discussion participant was a former priest Günther Götz. After many years as a clergyman he married and hung the occupation of priest to the nail.

Götz does not repent. Today it is much „more grounded and more near at the actual problems of humans “.

In the discussion also the protestant minister of Kostheim, Klaus F. Pötz, participated. It is divorced and again-married.

In the face of forthcoming new generation also it had to confess to be able not to imagine a life in the Zölibat - thus in the complete devotion for Christ -.

Desperatus: @.chen

Merci many times for the explanations, which cover themselves to a large extent with my rfahrungen. To consider I gift however that the justification printing for homosexuals was void to a large extent today. That again would have the consequence that such young men, who know to deal with their homosexuality land no more into the Seminarien. And I must observe unfortunately that the portion of at least remarkable seminarists increases, at least in the German seminars, which I grasp…

Pünktchen: Desperatus

I refer here first to the recent vatikanische explanation to the problem!

It concerns to me not the Zölibatären, but already before a consecration around who believes itself as the zölibatären life and destined as the Priestertum. For humans with homosexual impulse adjustment could have the choice of the occupation of priest a problematic motivation in hope to correspond thereby to social and personal roles expectation earliest. This would however reliably be no registration number for an available appointment.

There it for homosexuals thus higher - problematic! - Interest in the occupation of priest gives, is the increased caution quite justified to the church in relation to this circle of acquaintances.

From this it does not follow m.E that a young man with appropriate impulse tendencies should be held to and for itself from the choice to the occupation of priest, but he must have clarified the appointment question positively over several years and in the intensive exchange with a clergyman pulled in the confidence, otherwise one a human and moral disaster threatens!

Desperatus: @.chen

There the question of homosexuality in connection with the Zölibat as renouncement from genital
Sexuality without relevance is, can your mention of homosexuality only mean that you want to know homosexual Zölibatäte differently treated to hetero ones or bisexuelle

Pünktchen: Gunsenum, desperatus

Where would Dudeldei one have asked „critical-exciting question “? That escaped me! He had asked, what the Zölibat would contribute to learning and exercising occupation-typical action authority. The answer reads naturally: „nothing “! This no objection only is against the Zölibat, because the opposite was also never maintained by the proponents of the Zölibats!

To for and against the Zölibats I did not express myself at all defintiv! Criteria, among them also that were only addressed that the Zölibat naturally represents an invitation for homosexuals, who plausibilisieren by the choice of the praising inheritance call their missing marriage desire as pursuit of a higher ideal socially „“can. Which follows from it for the lived Keuschheit, stands on another sheet. To that extent passes the objection of desperatus my consideration!

Asphyx †: From the editorship removes

Desperatus: Again

Peace and objectivity produce silence with most spirit here only, because thus they cannot umgehn. However I find most interesting. I dare to formunlieren it times differently: Where understanding and spirit seize the word, the prejudice must be silent.