The Pope is not informed + no visit + tragic single course + distinction + „injuring “

The Pope is informed

Vatikan. With his third meeting with the directors/conductors of the vatikanischen Dikasterien Pope has Benedikt XVI. the value of the Zölibats stresses. The reported the Vatikan in a press release. Also the importance of one „solid human and Christian training “of seminarists and of dedicated priests was allegedly stressed. With the meeting gave it in addition information over the number of priests, who angesucht in the last years around a Zölibatsentpflichtung. Also possibilities were discussed of permitting these priests again to a church service if they fulfill the conditions prescribed by the church.

No visit

Czech Republic. It is improbable that the Pope will visit in the next year Czech Republic. The reported the daily paper `Lidove noviny', to the group of publishing houses `of the Rhenish Post' belongs, with reference to the Czech bishop conference. It had been expected that Benedikt XVI. after his Austria visit to Prague would travel. Actually the Czech bishops wanted to submit already soon the plan of a two-day Pope journey. Now they look for a new date.

Tragic single course

South Africa. On Tuesday the South African parliament recognized the Homo Konkubinat. The chairman of the bishop conference of the country, Wilfried cardinal Napier of Durban, turned sharply against the injustice law. It ruins not only the family, but undermines also the natural custom law. The by the state recognized Homo Konkubinat ruins the public interest and brings the foundations of the society in staggering. South Africa is the only country in Africa, which a Homo Konkubinat recognizes.

Distinction

Ireland. On Wednesday the highest court of Ireland decided that frozen infants do not possess right on lives. In the condition „right did not embody on lives of the unborn one “is valid outside of the mother body. A frozen embryo is not unborn „“- the court recognized. The judgement turned against an Irish mother, that wanted to deliver their children without agreement of the conjugal, however separated living father, frozen since 2002.

„Not injuring “

France. The highest court in France waived the prohibition of a blasphemischen publicity campaign on Tuesday. The Jean advertisement of the French mode house `Marithe et Francois Girbaud' from the spring 2005 showed one there of Leonardo Vincis communion inspired photography: instead of Christ with the twelve Aposteln female photo models were shown in designer clothes. The court the hobe judgement of the two first instances up and explained that the poster does not injure the religious feelings of catholics.

Michael60: Mr. Vogelsberger

Jesus was God son, or? Thus we believe all. Why don't we believe that it stood over everything, thus also over its human body? As God thus gentleman over the things, which it created? I believe also. And like that it is also possible for its representatives, repudiating itself (with itself whole humans are meant) whole in the holy spirit to live of it filled. In the meantime after Christ resurrection some large holy ones created that and did just like Christ large things. Nowadays suitable men are dedicated to their activity to the priest and determine in the run that they should nevertheless rather live in the reason in a community (marriage) with a woman. Few believe even that one can only love men, if one has Sex with them. The Christian marriage has which value, we read with Paulus, Kor. 7, 1-7. Hence it follows that a man should have a woman and a Mrs. a man, if they are intended for it. Who priests become, thus into the Fußstapfen Jesu to step wants, which must copy it, do it equal it, in everything, also in the self denial. And goes very well with the holy spirit. Discussions over it whether it is impossible for a man, without getting along woman (Sex is called probably that) are completely wrongly at the place. Who wants to begin the follow-up Jesu, ask the H. spirit that it becomes even less ever more u.man (J.d.Täufer), v.d. Flühe, Paulus. God to the greeting

Vogelsberger: Zölibat as indications

The Zölibat can hold on only someone, which also really believes.
It is, then I, not only after Jesu model, think Nacheifern but also the proof that one can master very heavy hurdles by the faith.
Which one thinks: „Oha, there functioned which not in the church, the society is (briskly) it become free, then we must adapt to stop! “is wrong.
That is not sense of the church!
However there is nevertheless an argument that I keep for very conclusive, i.e.: „The Zölibat was invented of the church and is not clearly occupied in the Bible! “

Replies to this argument are desired.

Benedikt: @ bus man

Nobody wants to abolish the Zölibat, but the obligation to the Zölibat.

That is nevertheless in the result the same. And you know completely exactly.

Brigitte bus man: The Pope is informed

why the intelligent Mr. Ratzinger, now, thinks Pope Benedikt only so on one side. Nobody wants to abolish the Zölibat, but the obligation to the Zölibat. A young man, who wants to become priests or is, is to be able himself to decide whether it wants to live zölibatär or not.
The whole return actions of the priests without office is welcome and already for a very long time overdue, or also the honourable married men, who priests to become to be supposed. But no young Männner is motivated in this way to the Priestertum.

Benedikt: @ Protestant

Now you say only that would be the reason, why it less and less röm. - kath. priest gives!

The principal reason might consist of the fact that it gives less and less believer, which distribute themselves further evenly however over the country, so that one needs still the same number of priests.

And which does not arrive the consecration concerning on formalities it me, knows you nevertheless!

Their problem is that you understand few about the catholicism. The consecration is after kath. understanding a little more than one „formality “.

Nobody is a better or schlechteter Seelsorger, only because it sometime, somewhere of possibly whom in any special way was dedicated!

That is well-known me. One is dedicated also not to the Seelsorger, but to the priest. The seelsorgerischen abilities are arranged for the concerning in its training, and/or he strives around exercising them as well as possible.

And it is very good that also in röm. - kath. the church about it continues to argue and one discusses, even if it actually forbade Johannes Paul II!

Why? Why is that good? Can you justify that, why them as a Protestant a dispute over it to want?

How you see get you these discussions not away!

That is relatively all the same to me. With the topic some already so identified that its life would be senseless, one has oneself its desiring would follow. The decision of the teaching profession is firm. The people are to rather worry about the faith loss.

Protestant: @benedikt

Each priest has 7 years training behind itself, in which he could think over the Zölibat.
Super, you it recognized! Now you say only that would be the reason, why it less and less röm. - kath. priest gives! Evenly because they do not come thereby clearly! But that should not be now really my problem, how her to say correctly!
And which does not arrive the consecration concerning on formalities it me, knows you nevertheless!
Nobody is a better or schlechteter Seelsorger, only because it sometime, somewhere of possibly whom in any special way was dedicated!
And whether the professional ban for women as priests God-intended be naja, over it one can argue splendid! And it is very good that also in röm. - kath. the church about it continues to argue and one discusses, even if it actually forbade Johannes Paul II!
How you see get you these discussions not away! And that is also well like that (the saying comes übrigends of someone, which I do not estimate politically particularly highly!).