Impatiently the Mr. Pfarrer in its vineyard marches off on and. Already two weeks ago ago it sent an urgent question to an important theology professor. Whether the catholic church is welfare necessary, it inquired in the letter. Over the Rebzweige away the minister sees coming finally to the postmen. The theologian answered it. Was also high time.

Carissime Pater!

Thank you for the description of your state of distress. Do I understand you correctly? They want to know whether the catholic church is necessary for the welfare of humans?

That the confused Schäfchen of your Nachbarpfarrei comes to you, is understandable. Did the there minister really state that it plays in the long run no role, whether someone is catholic or Protestant? That cannot the sense of these - as they write? - „Prayer week of the unit of the Christians “its. The minister may strive rather for it, the separate Christian communities into the lap the one lead back holy and apostolischen mother church. But I assume that also your Mitbruder in such a way understands the things in the reason. As recess and mental impetus you can submit the following quotations from the infallible teaching profession of the church to it.

The venerable fourth Laterankonzil, which was held in the year 1215, explains that „the general church of the believers is only one and that outside of their nobody is saved “.

Same can reread your Mitbruder in the union council of Florenz (around 1444): „The high-holy church believes firmly, admits and announces that nobody, which is outside of the catholic church - no heaths, no Jews, no Häretiker and no Schismatiker - the eternal life become partful can. It walks rather into the eternal fire, which is prepared for the devil and its angels. “

Also the blessed Pius IX. († 1878) formulates similar: „Due to the faith it is to be noted that outside of the apostolischen, Roman church nobody can attain the welfare. The Roman church is the only ark of the welfare. Who does not enter it, in the flood will die. “

They could supply with, dear Mr. Pfarrer, still many other places from the infallible teaching profession of the church to your high-worthy neighbour. But the aforementioned texts should be sufficient. The places may appear hard. But the mother church is committed to the truth and not the flattering word.

The affiliation to the church is not necessary only because that is a faith set of the church. No, the church is indispensable as means and instrument, in order not to drown in the flood of the sins. The ark mentioned of the Noah the necessary and only means was similar, in order to escape the Sintflut.

The necessity for a visible membership in the church is certainly no absolute. In special circumstances, for example in the case of an insurmountable unawareness over the church or if there is no possibility, the sakramentale baptism to receive, can be replaced the visible affiliation to the church by the demand for the church. This demand likes in the moral readiness to fulfill the will of God faithfully come to the expression.

, For your theologically disconcerted neighbour minister now probably the question arises, how one listens to the welfare-necessary Roman church.

In addition you know Mystici Corporis on a place from the famous encyclical „“of Pope Pius XII. († 1958) refer: „The members of the church only those zuzuzählen in truth, which received the bath of the rebirth, which admit true faith and neither even to its us gene from the connection of the body separated, are, still because of heavy offences by the legal church authority from it were excluded. “

Calls these important dogma tables explanation of the teaching profession three conditions, in order to be a member of the church:

- the baptism
- the confession of the true faith
- the compound its with the community of the church

Still another word for the lecture of your neighbour minister over the Protestants: Those children, who are valid baptized outside of the church, are members of the church, until they can to use and voluntarily from the Glaubensbekenntnis or from the community of the church separate their reason.

I hope, worth Mr. Pfarrer that my remarks are sufficient for you and your Mitbruder. If questions should emerge, you can contact me at any time. It is worthwhile itself to read over these things in the infallible teaching profession of the church. Then one stands on a solid reason. Much courage with the theological discussion with your colleague.

God ordered!

Herzlichst, its Ludwig Ott

GerdEric: it is nevertheless simply only sad

that you can start and defame only personal attacks.
Disproving of my words is not possible in such a way for you (by the way the so-called witnesses Jehovas make it also…).

Lodging nevertheless with arguments.

mfg
GerdEric

Bruno Maria Schulz: who not to hear wants will never understand

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Beautiful good morning all Kreuz.net - readers, at this, on the Rhine to warm, gloomy rain day.

There are listeners of your words in Christ, holds themselves the ears to and cries and storms on you loosely (Apg 7.57) with hanebüchenen arguments, which are to disprove the word Jesu.

One is addressed used from certain mentally Unterpriviligierten is less, other regarding their speech, their agreement heischend to you, but, as.

One does not answer then usually any longer. Those see as proof of the Stimmigkeit of their „arguments “- we however must them in their boundless ignorance aalen ourselves to leave. They feel therein, like the sow in the Suhle.

Man must often terminate and like have the discussion here the justification: Lukas 9.5… then goes away and vibrates the dust from your feet to the certification against it.

Bruno Maria Schulz

GerdEric: GerdEric typical

Bruno Maria Schulz: 1 Kor 1,23Ich turns me to interested Mitleser, which read the GerdEric typical Beauptung (the Jewish denial of the Messiah and Christ).

Where you see the difference between Messiah and Christ, which means both nevertheless more or less more gesalbter.

Bruno: more >>>Der „old “federation is never solved, and there is a new nicht<<<

That is naturally nonsense in pure culture and contradicts strikingly the fact the fact that Christ existed and released that by passion and resurrection, New Testament was lived and written and innumerable statements Jesu and the new federation in addition, like among other things to call (in order only two):

I never stated that Jesus did not exist, also I its suffering did not deny (its to suffer nevertheless „“thousands Jews experienced too straight of the Roman time in Israel).
The NT was only added, straight however the Nichtevangelien.

Jesus Christ in process card 22,20:
This cup is the new federation in my blood, that for you is poured.:

To Pesach it was usual that wine was drunk.

Paulus in Hebr 8,13:
By speaking of a new federation, he explained first for outdated. Which however become outdated and is survived, that is close to the fall.

This is design of the Paulus.

mfg

GerdEric: Bruno, I praises your consequence to throw the towel (harm)

Bruno Maria Schulz: which means a GerdEric already
Mt 16,18:
I however say to you: You are Petrus, and on this rock will I mean church to build, and powers of the underworld will not overwhelm it.

we know nevertheless, how Petrus was varying, and that he was in disagreement with Paulus also…

Bruno Maria Schulz: GerdEric - which is discussion with you idly - I terminate her hereby, because would speak I with angel tongues, you the opposite would maintain.

What strove Jesus for you, and you do not want to stand for him to the side?

all property for you,
and God benediction

Bruno Maria Schulz: 1 Kor 1,23

I turn to interested Mitleser, which read the GerdEric typical Beauptung (the Jewish denial of the Messiah and Christ).

>>>„The old “federation is never solved, and there is a new nicht<<<

That is naturally nonsense in pure culture and contradicts strikingly the fact the fact that Christ existed and released that by passion and resurrection, New Testament was lived and written and innumerable statements Jesu and the new federation in addition, like among other things to call (in order only two):

Jesus Christ in process card 22,20:
This cup is the new federation in my blood, that for you is poured.:

Paulus in Hebr 8,13:
By speaking of a new federation, he explained first for outdated. Which however become outdated and is survived, that is close to the fall.

Bruno Maria Schulz

Bruno Maria Schulz: schmeißt your Bibles away!

People, schmeißt your Bibles away - GerdEric asks den's only once gives. He says:
>>>I read there nothing from a Kirche<<<

which means a GerdEric already
Mt 16,18:
I however say to you: You are Petrus, and on this rock will I mean church to build, and powers of the underworld will not overwhelm it.

GerdEric - which is discussion with you idly - I terminate her hereby, because would speak I with angel tongues, you the opposite would maintain.

Salvo
Bruno Maria Schulz