Why Joseph Ratzinger Pope had to become
Symbol of the nachkonziliären liturgical picture storm is a priest, who - the people turned - acts at the altar like a television cook.
(kreuz.net) not already did the reformation provoke revolutionary forces, whose dynamics did not lead to a return to the origins of the Christianity, but to a bilderstürmerischen break with much that the Christianity over centuries was holy?
This question places Daniel Deckers on 7 July in an illuminated comment for `the Frankfurt general one Zeitung':
„The catholic bishops would have had to be thus warned, as them in the autumn 1962, directly for the prelude of the second Vatikani council, a profound reform of the Liturgie of the Roman-catholic church the way prepared. “
Deckers does not doubt the good intentions of the council fathers: „They nevertheless underestimated the effect of their doing and the symbol strength its that they got ready to change. “
In practice already soon it showed up that from „careful changes “no speech could be:
„The” Roman “Liturgie was only one, but the most highly symbolic of the bastions, whose sharpening was today regarded as necessary adjustment of the church to the world. “
The Zelebration of the municipality of age
Joseph Ratzinger already early recognized, „that intention and effect of the konziliaren and nachkonziliaren reform fell apart “.
After Deckers the later Pope located two negative elements of the Liturgiereform:
• the reversal of the Zelebrationsrichtung, in which it a Klerikalisierungsschub specialsame recognized.
• one „democratization “of the church, which did not stop-make for the municipality of age before a destruction of the Liturgie from the spirit „of creativity “.
„The inspection gives Joseph Ratzinger quite “- in such a way to Deckers:
„Meanwhile two generations of catholics of hektographierten notes sing new songs, whose linguistic banality and musical Abgeschmacktheit are sagged on the level of popular hits. “
So-called family services would be characterised by that Irish fairy tales replace the Biblical reading.
Who refuses itself to the trend, are considered as reactionary and vorkonziliar:
„Even if it only penetrates on it that the Liturgie should be just as little a exercise object for klerikale do-it-yourself enthusiasts as the altar area the stage, on which disconcerted priests, on self-manifestation versessene laymen and equal rights heischende Mrs. their role conflicts delivers. “
Deckers asks itself whether the basic problem of the new Liturgie exists only in an execution deficit, which would be to be repaired the document by word-rich texts as for instance „over the Eucharist “from the past spring.
Word instead of myth
It points the layman free space for self occupation and a clearance for fantasy to Frankfurt sociologists the Alfred Lorenzer, which described already more than 25 years ago, like the old person Liturgie behind the Ikonostase of latin cult language in a ritual self-sufficiency and strangeness unfolded at the same time, those up to personality, group and culturalspecific interpretations of the holy happening offered.
„The council however regarded it as its task to waive the unit of myth and ritual to replace the sensuous Präsentative of the old cult by the Intellektualität of the word and profanieren the holy play of the forms and gestures by katechetisch pädagogisierende Indoktrination. “
Symbol of this liturgical picture storm was for Lorenzer a priest, who, turned the sensuous-directly effective religious symbol system of the modern hedonistischen consumer society to the people gave at the altar acted like a television cook and a that.
Deckers explains that Lorenzers inspired in a marxist manner and psychoanalytisch criticism in many places beyond the goal:
„However are not well-known that inquiries entrusted like these, among which also Martin of MOS brook complaint would be to be ranked over „the Häresie of the informality “among bishops and in the Klerus to new, absorbed thinking about handling of the catholic church with it treasure of the rites and symbols of the Christian West would have led. “
In addition only Joseph Ratzinger Pope Benedikt XVI has. will must.
© picture: thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com
This question places Daniel Deckers on 7 July in an illuminated comment for `the Frankfurt general one Zeitung':
„The catholic bishops would have had to be thus warned, as them in the autumn 1962, directly for the prelude of the second Vatikani council, a profound reform of the Liturgie of the Roman-catholic church the way prepared. “
Deckers does not doubt the good intentions of the council fathers: „They nevertheless underestimated the effect of their doing and the symbol strength its that they got ready to change. “
In practice already soon it showed up that from „careful changes “no speech could be:
„The” Roman “Liturgie was only one, but the most highly symbolic of the bastions, whose sharpening was today regarded as necessary adjustment of the church to the world. “
The Zelebration of the municipality of age
Joseph Ratzinger already early recognized, „that intention and effect of the konziliaren and nachkonziliaren reform fell apart “.
After Deckers the later Pope located two negative elements of the Liturgiereform:
• the reversal of the Zelebrationsrichtung, in which it a Klerikalisierungsschub specialsame recognized.
• one „democratization “of the church, which did not stop-make for the municipality of age before a destruction of the Liturgie from the spirit „of creativity “.
„The inspection gives Joseph Ratzinger quite “- in such a way to Deckers:
„Meanwhile two generations of catholics of hektographierten notes sing new songs, whose linguistic banality and musical Abgeschmacktheit are sagged on the level of popular hits. “
So-called family services would be characterised by that Irish fairy tales replace the Biblical reading.
Who refuses itself to the trend, are considered as reactionary and vorkonziliar:
„Even if it only penetrates on it that the Liturgie should be just as little a exercise object for klerikale do-it-yourself enthusiasts as the altar area the stage, on which disconcerted priests, on self-manifestation versessene laymen and equal rights heischende Mrs. their role conflicts delivers. “
Deckers asks itself whether the basic problem of the new Liturgie exists only in an execution deficit, which would be to be repaired the document by word-rich texts as for instance „over the Eucharist “from the past spring.
Word instead of myth
It points the layman free space for self occupation and a clearance for fantasy to Frankfurt sociologists the Alfred Lorenzer, which described already more than 25 years ago, like the old person Liturgie behind the Ikonostase of latin cult language in a ritual self-sufficiency and strangeness unfolded at the same time, those up to personality, group and culturalspecific interpretations of the holy happening offered.
„The council however regarded it as its task to waive the unit of myth and ritual to replace the sensuous Präsentative of the old cult by the Intellektualität of the word and profanieren the holy play of the forms and gestures by katechetisch pädagogisierende Indoktrination. “
Symbol of this liturgical picture storm was for Lorenzer a priest, who, turned the sensuous-directly effective religious symbol system of the modern hedonistischen consumer society to the people gave at the altar acted like a television cook and a that.
Deckers explains that Lorenzers inspired in a marxist manner and psychoanalytisch criticism in many places beyond the goal:
„However are not well-known that inquiries entrusted like these, among which also Martin of MOS brook complaint would be to be ranked over „the Häresie of the informality “among bishops and in the Klerus to new, absorbed thinking about handling of the catholic church with it treasure of the rites and symbols of the Christian West would have led. “
In addition only Joseph Ratzinger Pope Benedikt XVI has. will must.
© picture: thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com
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Tuesday, 24 July 2007 08:54
Pünktchen: Ev. - luth. Minister agrees D. Deckers! - Reader letter in the FAZ…
The article „“I know holy play - when protestant lutheranischer „retirement minister “- only fully to agree… In both westl. „“One long already prevails to large denominations „Ökumene of sinnentleerter arbitrariness “in God-official area, which attained full growth itself under the seal of the modernism and the alleged needs „of secular humans “in the age of western democracy Vergötzung to a pseudoreligious sense replacement. Also in the churches of the reformation one publicises nevertheless from church-leading place „the new songs addressed by Daniel Deckers “… introductory Geschichtchen telling and awkward anbiedernde greeting empty phrases with a fixed tent character is likewise in vogue, so that one notices not directly that actually service is to be celebrated!
Also the reverenceless mass treatment with the Eucharist is to be often equally found. „The altar area as stage “, on which „on self-manifestation versessene laymen and equal rights deliver, leave themselves heischende Mrs. their role conflicts “to likewise find! A Benedikt XVI., which brings little order in the chaos of the arbitrariness, is missing after protestant church understanding. And the much-sworn to „Sola Scriptura “is keit no sense and order-donating principle more, after „the Hineininterpretieren “set the writing interpretation in its commitment into the holy writing and wonderful criticism chess matt…
Herbert hot Hasala, Dombühl
Also the reverenceless mass treatment with the Eucharist is to be often equally found. „The altar area as stage “, on which „on self-manifestation versessene laymen and equal rights deliver, leave themselves heischende Mrs. their role conflicts “to likewise find! A Benedikt XVI., which brings little order in the chaos of the arbitrariness, is missing after protestant church understanding. And the much-sworn to „Sola Scriptura “is keit no sense and order-donating principle more, after „the Hineininterpretieren “set the writing interpretation in its commitment into the holy writing and wonderful criticism chess matt…
Herbert hot Hasala, Dombühl
Sunday, 8 July 2007 23:46
santo domingo 2: @ gilbert
By „sock doll “one understands a secondary account, that not as such marked preferably is and to agree itself is used.
(No, I am not Sentinel.)
(No, I am not Sentinel.)
Sunday, 8 July 2007 23:46
juergen: With dolls from socks…
… has that probably not completely to much to do.
It seems to probably concern an Internet Slang expression:
http://de.wikipedia.org/… ppe_%28Netzkultur%29
Such terms are rarely in the LThK
Practicing struggle it is shortened LThK and not LTHK
It seems to probably concern an Internet Slang expression:
http://de.wikipedia.org/… ppe_%28Netzkultur%29
Such terms are rarely in the LThK
Practicing struggle it is shortened LThK and not LTHK
Sunday, 8 July 2007 23:42
Aleph: Sentinel
If you call a person sock doll, I do not know completely exactly, what you mean with it. In „the Meyer “the term is not described, just as little in the LTHK, then I must turn stop to you and instendig ask to describe me the term but ask only, if it is not more zuwiter you. Perhaps isn't the term welfare necessary and I knows anything of it… and as stands you then there before the judge (.)?
Sunday, 8 July 2007 19:24
Sentinel: @Heinrich of and too and at all
congratulate! Completely sense-free! Explain me times which you thereby to say want!
The .chen regards me as the sock doll of someone! However no proofs for it can attach. But it presses itself sometimes exactly the same from like you!
This is not to be devaluing, since I know that .chenso has smaller problems with me and not yet to it stands.
I nevertheless know that .chen a sock doll is. Whether you are one, I do not know. I do not believe however, since they write here unmistakably under at least 3 names,
The .chen regards me as the sock doll of someone! However no proofs for it can attach. But it presses itself sometimes exactly the same from like you!
This is not to be devaluing, since I know that .chenso has smaller problems with me and not yet to it stands.
I nevertheless know that .chen a sock doll is. Whether you are one, I do not know. I do not believe however, since they write here unmistakably under at least 3 names,
Sunday, 8 July 2007 19:13
HeinrichvonOfterdingen: Dear Sentinel,
If I were a sock doll,
as it of Heinrichvonundzuundüberhaupt, they could be safe that I could not certainly exceed their sense-free Postings in the style.
congratulate! Completely sense-free! Explain me times which you thereby to say want!
as it of Heinrichvonundzuundüberhaupt, they could be safe that I could not certainly exceed their sense-free Postings in the style.
congratulate! Completely sense-free! Explain me times which you thereby to say want!
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