„Action life “does not mean in Austria necessarily, one introduces oneself to what in other countries under it. Which sounds itself like a group of Lebensschützern, much understanding for the abortion and the period regulation has in truth. Ambiguously catholic.

(, Salzburg kreuz.net) „the action life “is in Austria already long no more that a normally mortal one under a genuine life protection organization imagines. Nevertheless it lives in the cordial close relationship to the Austrian bishops and is valid in things life protection as their right hand.

An example is „the action life Salzburg “. As well known the socialist head of government in the national hospital of the Mozart city wants to implement the abortion. The largest and most direct resistance against these bloody plans one would expect oneself of the local section „of the action life “. However was and is not like that.

„The action life “needs its forces in Salzburg instead of its, in order to fight those, which carry out for the intentions of the abtreibungswütigen national main woman Widerstand. Otherwise „the action life strives “according to own data around one „switching and clearing-up with life-affirming methods “. It seems that this statement is to be understood as a sheepish confession to the period regulation.

„The action life Salzburg “is subordinate to the catholic action and these again the Austrian bishop conference. „The action life Salzburg “co-operates with the Erzdiözese and with „the woman health Mrs. ISIS “. „ISIS “belongs to the disputed „network of the woman health centers “, which uses itself among other things for the child abortion and to the abortion of its children persuades mothers.

„The network of the woman health centers “is a grouping, which is close to the socialist party of Austria. The socialists are the prominent abortion party in Austria. They are endeavored also around that „the network of the woman health centers “the money does not go out. „The woman Mrs. ISIS “, for example, receives money of the federation, of the country Salzburg, of the city Salzburg and of the Salzburger area health insurance company. At the beginning of the Salzburger „ISIS contacted abortion confusions “Mrs. Burgstaller - a coordinated action? - and they over of the State of administered abortion possibilities in Salzburg asked.

From reader letters and statements in the Salzburger press it follows that in the consultation of pregnant mothers through „ISIS is recruited “- coworkers also for the killing of the child by means of abortion.

Unfortunately the mother consultation „of the action life does not offer “in Salzburg a convincing alternative. After information, which published brochure into last year is contained, one advises there „result open “. In the wording of the brochure: „The consulting concept contains that the women and/or pairs concerned find to a decision, to which they stand and can with that them live. “And the child?

One cannot state thus that the Salzburger Erzdiözese is prepared for the next round in the fight against the dark abortion plans that head of government. „The action life Austria “is anyhow busy at another front. Because while the activists „of the youth for the life demonstrated “in rattling/clinking cold weather before the Salzburger national hospital against the child abortion, „the action life “put „the switching and clearing-up with life-affirming methods “by the publication of a cook book into practice.

GerdEric: Voice from the Tradiland (01 February 2005, 12:47):

Voice from the Tradiland: No matter, which the bishop made, he did not explain it anyhow as the law, this to the difference of the Münsteraner Täufern.

It is not all the same!
One cannot accuse on the one side the Jews in the Israel Jesus „of the Pharisäerhaftigkeit “,
if one this the own „Pharisäern “excuses…

of because of: that throws the first stone…

Voice from the Tradiland: The execution of the Saxonia princes because of their refusal to the baptism was wrong and after the church right of each time forbidden. How is the logic to read? Because someone committed a shoplifting and one does not get, couldn't the other one - got - be condemned shoplifter?

For me bishop Vorbildfunktion has,
but not as example,
which one may not do,
it has to live Christianity
(and that is, which one cannot accuse the Pharisäern,
because they lived the Judentum
(it was heavy only for the simple people,
to live in the everyday life of this,
to be silent of the knowledge times)).

Voice from the Tradiland: And whether God does, Christ speaks, who believes and lets themselves baptize, will is saved faith alone is not sufficient thus not.

Oh nevertheless,
because it says also:
On those the breath of God lies.

Voice from the Tradiland: however not in agreement with the catholic church.

Only the agreement with God is enough to me,
there Jesus is only a Rufer in the desert.

Voice from the Tradiland: Innocently ungetaufte children do not come into the sky, but is into the Limbus Puerorum, that for catholics obligating theory.

Whether God adheres to this obligating teachings?
we wait for it nevertheless.

Voice from the Tradiland: Impudent is only to admit itself without fundamental knowledge of the Christianity and the catholic faith on discussions.

There then first times the catholics themselves should become united.

Question: How many catholics follow díeser interpretation of the catholicism?
If are only counted,
then there will not be so many,
that they could play one role in a democracy each
(why the also straight Spanish Kathoilizismus closely with Franco together worked…).

Voice from the Tradiland: The Münsteraner Täufer received only its fair punishment, those, which had earned her.

For what?
That they wanted to chase „the bishop away “?
We of such bishops not also in the NT warned.

Voice from the Tradiland: Common culture versus Gleichmacherei

The first is voluntary and happens esp. under switching of the catholic church, which acts supranationally. The zweitere is ordered from above and interspersed obligatorily. In all other respects it is still not well-known me that we would be by you.

FioreGraz: @TRadiland

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I do not speak here of Hexenbverbrennungen, I speak of Ketzerverfolgung and condemnation as well as delivery to the worldly jurisdiction and this took place here also in the Mittlelalter, in which form the national jurisdiction carried out then the punishment (death) remained it leaves, the heap of failure serve only as synonym. And the Wiedertäufer was not only which one in a mass pursuit got rid of. It tunes very probably which one the Geschnisse from the view at that time and humans regard must, only this may not lead varnishing therefore to one „“.

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On the one hand you write against gleichmacherei on the other hand write you something of a common culture. What now?

LG
Fiore

Voice from the Tradiland: Answers to FioreGraz' questions

Italically: FioreGraz, normal script voice from the Tradiland: The church carried out thus no obligation baptism? Correctly. The church did not over-judge Ketzer the worldly jurisdiction? But, also „the witch hammer “, that im übrigen the church teachings to Hexerei, Häresie and demons correctly summarizes (Egon v. Petersdorff, Daemonologie in two volumes) served the instruction of the worldly law enforcement agencies. The church always tried to achieve a normal investigation and to switch any form off of Lynchjustiz. Therefore it gave in the catholic cultural area of also substantially fewer victims of witch pursuits than in the Protestant area. Main thing always is the fact that one the church - whether in present or past something at things repairs. The punishments of the church were not arbitrary? … The church was in each case for the clerics and the medal people punishing authority. In the broader sense also on church territories (church state, independent dioceses). One can generally exclude nor prove arbitrariness neither. In any case such lay not in the church system, but in its abuse by humans. I ask myself for which JP II. apologized? And further which is now the difference? That ask myself I also, I can be acting not to reconstruct. Theologically the whole is sinnloc, essentially in many points justified or not at all one-sided and in all other respects has it itself non which it really could - for its own errors and sins excuses (e.g. the unjustified Exkommunikation archbishop Lefebvres, which further upright he keeps opposite the four of this dedicated bishops without fair reason. They become entgegenen the Kriche acted in their laws at that time, tja and I ask which did the Wiedertäufer? They acted after their laws. Thus does the authentication depend of the size „of the regime “? The authentication depends of the theory of Christ and the church, for it of Christ was also used „to solve and bind “with effect for the eternal life. Which is valid there again, results from the Hl. Tradition, those already before the Hl. Writing was valid and regarding the latter also the correct interpretation mediated. LG Fiore MfG Tradi.

Voice from the Tradiland: 2. Continuation of stories instruction for FioreGraz

Schöners the sound Middle Ages, when heaps of failure still burned, bishops and princes völlerten, and Rome a Hurenhaus was. In the relationship was uniform the culture has quite there between Klerus and princes in all of Europe. Also in this connection you do not know each other at all out. Nearly all heaps of failure burned the large majority in Protestant area in the modern times and of it again. The catholic church can deal evenly also with witches and demons better… Völlern and Hurerei: I am neither for one nor for the other one, but one should be clear: It is many worse to touch or not defend the catholic teachings, as it is today often the case. A Pope, who völlert and hurt, but does not touch, harms the theory of Christ and the church less, than a Pope, who is personally irreproachable and pious, but the paralysis of the teachings permits. In all other respects is today all worse, if I look at myself the Mr. Schröder, Fischer (both four times „“, the latter marries just as often divorced and again with a young Gespielin together), Wowereit (mayor v. Berlin „I is schwul and that is well like that “) and Ole v. Beust, CDU mayor of Hamburg (likewise, but without the wowereit'sche „courageous “confession) (for example). „The princes v. today “are still worse and have not even the breath v. culture. In all other respects I would not know that we would be by you! I do not take part in this unreasonable Vulgärkultur of the Internet and I ask to leave me thereby also alone!

Voice from the Tradiland: 1. Continuation of stories instruction for FioreGraz

Thus if I look at myself the EWR then ask I which was more zersezter now, Europe where I to I mean commodity in the next larger city to the man brought 15 times tariff to pay had or now? Tja, at that time was also nobody so dumb and potato or grain over hundreds km transported. Nearly everything that one used, could be manufactured in the same village or in the next city. The European Union market is an artificial history, because the transport costs at the expense of the environment, to which health of the drivers and the taxpayer of the member countries (no cost-hitting a corner road taxes) is kept artificially small. But there was at that time a much larger variety of types, both with economically useful animals and with useful plants. Healthier that was things also, without the many E-materials. In addition I meant the moral component with decomposition. The fact that in not even more traditionalistischer, thus anyhow the council memory church devoted - catholic such as Buttiglione not commissioner will may, shows, which kind prevails of convicition printing in the freemason community. And uniform cultural area? To apparent restrain therefore required it council a v. Trients around alone the differences with fairs. And the cultural differences are naturally only in the last few Jahrzenten developed… Ask yourself more with church history to concern. The council of Trient has „only “(very valuable) the bases of the Hl. Fair defines. Only later, i.e. 1570 have the Hl. Pope Pius Vth with the bull Quo Primum the Roman fair again regulatorily, whereby it oriented itself however at the tradition. It corresponded to that all measuring rites, which were older 200 years or could be celebrated further. Completely to the difference of the gleichmacherischen revolutionary measuring reform Pope Pauls VI., which suppressed all old measuring forms. As far as over „restraining “was, it went only around clarifications opposite the Protestants, whom under the influence Martin Luther and the other Reformatoren the measuring victim had abolished. With regional or medal-in accordance with-eaten differences this nothing had to do.