Cult for a Ketzer?
That most disputed philosopher and theologian Antonio Rosmini is raised soon in the honour of the altars. Examples of its erring teachings.
(, Novara kreuz.net) on 18 November the Italian priest, philosopher and medal founder, Pater Antonio Rosmini († 1855) are blessed-spoken. The reported the Roman press agency `Zenit'.
The ceremony will hold the Präfekt of the Heiligsprechungskongregation, Jose cardinal Saraiva Martin (75) in the northItalian city Novara.
Kurzbiographie of the future blessed one
Pater Rosmini saw to 25. March 1797 in the northItalian city Rovereto the light of the world.
He was a son of wealthy parents. In the year 1821 it received priest-dedicates.
Already nine years later it created its own medal - the brothers of the brotherly love, which admits in Italy as Rosminianer is.
The bishop von Novara, Mons. Renato Corti, sees a singular event for the church of Italy in the blessed speaking of Pater Rosmini.
It puts the attention of the Christians to humans, who dedicated its life to the linkage of faith and reason.
As an erring teacher condemns
The theses of Pater Rosmini excited the contradiction of the teaching profession starting from beginning of the 1830er years.
Several of its works landed with the Indexkongregation.
However the Popes estimate Gregor XVI. († 1846) and Pius IXTH († 1878) Pater Rosmini very much.
Pius IX. wanted to make the Pater even the cardinal. Therefore Pater Rosmini did not need to be afraid its opponents.
But in May 1849 the Indexkongregation condemned two smaller works of Pater Rosmini.
The procedure against further books of the clergyman was stopped.
In December 1887 - 32 years after the death of the Paters - the holy Offizium under Leo condemned XIII. († 1903) in the decree `post office obitum' forty sets of the future blessed one.
Some the forty mistakes condemned
1. In the order of the creative things reveals itself to the human understanding directly somewhat in itself divine one, something that belongs to divine nature.
2. If we talk about the divine one in its nature, we do not use this word divine, in order to designate the not-divine effect of a divine cause. We do not have also the intention of talking from a divine one to which is by sharing such.
3. In the nature of the universe - which means in the Intelligenzen, which are in it - is something, to which the designation of the divine one comes not in the figurative, but in the actual sense. It is reality, which is not distinctive of the remainder of the divine reality.
13. The difference between the absolute its and relative its is not that, which exists between a substance and the other one. It is much larger: One is absolutely Seiendes, the other one is absolute Nicht-Seiendes.
But this different one is relative Seiendes. As however a relative Seiendes is set, that does not multiply absolutely being end. Therefore the absolute and the relative being end are absolutely not only one substance, but only one its.
In this sense there is no differenceness of the Seins, on the contrary there is a unit of the Seins.
20. It does not contradict itself that the human soul increases by generation. One can assume that she progresses from the imperfect one - of a reflectful stage - to the perfect one - to a reasonable stage -.
22. It is to be thought not possibly that it is possible with divine power that from the inspired body the reasonable soul separates. It exist further as an animal away. In it the animal principle as basis of the animal, which before was in it as appendage, would remain.
23. In the natural condition the soul of the deceased exists likewise, as if it would not exist. It cannot employ a consideration over itself and have no consciousness of itself.
Therefore it lets itself say that their situation is similar to the condition of eternal darkness and always-lasting Schlafes.
25. After revealing the secret of the holiest Dreifaltigkeit their existence can be pointed out also to purely speculative proofs […].
26. The three highest forms of the Seins - subjectivity, objectivity and holyness, and/or reality, Idealität and Moralität, can - if one it to the absolute its does not transfer, to be differently understood, because than for itself existing and living persons.
The word, if it is not called loved article and if it word actual as in itself more existing and by itself recognized article - is the person of the holy spirit.
27. In the mankind of Christ the human will of the holy spirit was so hingerissen - the objective its, i.e. word, it anzuhangen - that it transferred it completely the rule over humans. The word took over it, by einte human nature with itself.
Therefore the human will stopped to be personal in humans. While he is in other humans person, he remained in Christ nature.
29. The catholic teachings, which are the exclusive truth, are not different from the following assumption:
In the eucharistischen Sakrament the substance of bread and the Weines becomes the true meat and protects blood of Christ, if Christ makes it the goal of his reflectful principle and makes it alive with its life.
This happens approximately in the way, in that bread and the wine to be truthfully natureful transformed into our meat and blood, because they become the goal of our reflectful principle.
31. In the Sakrament of the Eucharist the body and the blood of Christ are strength of the words only in the measure, which corresponds to the quantity [„A quel tanto “] of the substance of bread and wine, which is natureful transformed.
There the remainder of the body of Christ is by accompanying Mitgegenwart.
32. Who eats „the meat of the people son and does not drink its blood, the life does not have in itself “. (Joh 6.54) nevertheless those, which die with the baptism of the water, the blood or the longing, attain reliably the eternal life.
Therefore one must say that this heavenly meal in the future life - at this moment death - is handed to those, which did not eat the body and the blood of Christ in this life.
Therefore Christ could - when it descended to the underworld - also to the holy ones of Old Testament under the shapes of bread and wine to communicate itself, in order to enable it for the opinion of God.
34. In order to protect the blessed virgin Maria the hereditary sin, it was sufficient that a tiny Same - perhaps of the demon unconsidered - remained intact in humans.
From the unspoiled seed transferred from generation to generation in due time the virgin Maria followed.
38. God is the subject of the blessed-making opinion, if he is the author of the works outward.
40. Since God cannot completely communicate itself to limited being ends - also not by the light of the glory - can it the looking in the sky its nature only in the way reveal and communicate, which limits Intelligenzen is appropriate:
God reveals itself to them, if it has a relationship with them as their creator, Fürsorger, redeemer and Heiligmacher.
Rehabilitation by cardinal Ratzinger
In July 2001 main headers the Kongregation for the faith teachings the condemnation of Pater Rosmini in a notification in fact up.
The Glaubenskongregation nevertheless judged the rosminianische system of thought as sometimes ambiguous.
It contains misleading terms and expressions, which can be required an attentive reading and be clarified only in the light of the general context of the work of the author „“.
© picture statue: Giovanni Dall'Orto, CC
The ceremony will hold the Präfekt of the Heiligsprechungskongregation, Jose cardinal Saraiva Martin (75) in the northItalian city Novara.
Kurzbiographie of the future blessed one
Pater Rosmini saw to 25. March 1797 in the northItalian city Rovereto the light of the world.
He was a son of wealthy parents. In the year 1821 it received priest-dedicates.
Already nine years later it created its own medal - the brothers of the brotherly love, which admits in Italy as Rosminianer is.
The bishop von Novara, Mons. Renato Corti, sees a singular event for the church of Italy in the blessed speaking of Pater Rosmini.
It puts the attention of the Christians to humans, who dedicated its life to the linkage of faith and reason.
As an erring teacher condemns
The theses of Pater Rosmini excited the contradiction of the teaching profession starting from beginning of the 1830er years.
Several of its works landed with the Indexkongregation.
However the Popes estimate Gregor XVI. († 1846) and Pius IXTH († 1878) Pater Rosmini very much.
Pius IX. wanted to make the Pater even the cardinal. Therefore Pater Rosmini did not need to be afraid its opponents.
But in May 1849 the Indexkongregation condemned two smaller works of Pater Rosmini.
The procedure against further books of the clergyman was stopped.
In December 1887 - 32 years after the death of the Paters - the holy Offizium under Leo condemned XIII. († 1903) in the decree `post office obitum' forty sets of the future blessed one.
Some the forty mistakes condemned
1. In the order of the creative things reveals itself to the human understanding directly somewhat in itself divine one, something that belongs to divine nature.
2. If we talk about the divine one in its nature, we do not use this word divine, in order to designate the not-divine effect of a divine cause. We do not have also the intention of talking from a divine one to which is by sharing such.
3. In the nature of the universe - which means in the Intelligenzen, which are in it - is something, to which the designation of the divine one comes not in the figurative, but in the actual sense. It is reality, which is not distinctive of the remainder of the divine reality.
13. The difference between the absolute its and relative its is not that, which exists between a substance and the other one. It is much larger: One is absolutely Seiendes, the other one is absolute Nicht-Seiendes.
But this different one is relative Seiendes. As however a relative Seiendes is set, that does not multiply absolutely being end. Therefore the absolute and the relative being end are absolutely not only one substance, but only one its.
In this sense there is no differenceness of the Seins, on the contrary there is a unit of the Seins.
20. It does not contradict itself that the human soul increases by generation. One can assume that she progresses from the imperfect one - of a reflectful stage - to the perfect one - to a reasonable stage -.
22. It is to be thought not possibly that it is possible with divine power that from the inspired body the reasonable soul separates. It exist further as an animal away. In it the animal principle as basis of the animal, which before was in it as appendage, would remain.
23. In the natural condition the soul of the deceased exists likewise, as if it would not exist. It cannot employ a consideration over itself and have no consciousness of itself.
Therefore it lets itself say that their situation is similar to the condition of eternal darkness and always-lasting Schlafes.
25. After revealing the secret of the holiest Dreifaltigkeit their existence can be pointed out also to purely speculative proofs […].
26. The three highest forms of the Seins - subjectivity, objectivity and holyness, and/or reality, Idealität and Moralität, can - if one it to the absolute its does not transfer, to be differently understood, because than for itself existing and living persons.
The word, if it is not called loved article and if it word actual as in itself more existing and by itself recognized article - is the person of the holy spirit.
27. In the mankind of Christ the human will of the holy spirit was so hingerissen - the objective its, i.e. word, it anzuhangen - that it transferred it completely the rule over humans. The word took over it, by einte human nature with itself.
Therefore the human will stopped to be personal in humans. While he is in other humans person, he remained in Christ nature.
29. The catholic teachings, which are the exclusive truth, are not different from the following assumption:
In the eucharistischen Sakrament the substance of bread and the Weines becomes the true meat and protects blood of Christ, if Christ makes it the goal of his reflectful principle and makes it alive with its life.
This happens approximately in the way, in that bread and the wine to be truthfully natureful transformed into our meat and blood, because they become the goal of our reflectful principle.
31. In the Sakrament of the Eucharist the body and the blood of Christ are strength of the words only in the measure, which corresponds to the quantity [„A quel tanto “] of the substance of bread and wine, which is natureful transformed.
There the remainder of the body of Christ is by accompanying Mitgegenwart.
32. Who eats „the meat of the people son and does not drink its blood, the life does not have in itself “. (Joh 6.54) nevertheless those, which die with the baptism of the water, the blood or the longing, attain reliably the eternal life.
Therefore one must say that this heavenly meal in the future life - at this moment death - is handed to those, which did not eat the body and the blood of Christ in this life.
Therefore Christ could - when it descended to the underworld - also to the holy ones of Old Testament under the shapes of bread and wine to communicate itself, in order to enable it for the opinion of God.
34. In order to protect the blessed virgin Maria the hereditary sin, it was sufficient that a tiny Same - perhaps of the demon unconsidered - remained intact in humans.
From the unspoiled seed transferred from generation to generation in due time the virgin Maria followed.
38. God is the subject of the blessed-making opinion, if he is the author of the works outward.
40. Since God cannot completely communicate itself to limited being ends - also not by the light of the glory - can it the looking in the sky its nature only in the way reveal and communicate, which limits Intelligenzen is appropriate:
God reveals itself to them, if it has a relationship with them as their creator, Fürsorger, redeemer and Heiligmacher.
Rehabilitation by cardinal Ratzinger
In July 2001 main headers the Kongregation for the faith teachings the condemnation of Pater Rosmini in a notification in fact up.
The Glaubenskongregation nevertheless judged the rosminianische system of thought as sometimes ambiguous.
It contains misleading terms and expressions, which can be required an attentive reading and be clarified only in the light of the general context of the work of the author „“.
© picture statue: Giovanni Dall'Orto, CC
All reader opinions indicate
6 of 31 reader opinions:
Saturday, 6 October 2007 17:37
Bokrug †: @Karl Murx: http://www.artfond.de/geldseite
Christ referred to Jewish Propheten tradition and Kabbalisten… Ezechiel and Henoch for example… he called itself with reference to Ezechiel as Metathron.
That is Pansophie and/or PanEN (!)theismus… NO Pantheismus.
Paulus quotes on the Areopag in Athens the stoischen poet Aratos with one panEN (!)theistischen quotation.
Johannes, like Paulus a representative of Christian Gnosis, naturally used the logos term in a Platonic and/or centralPlatonic sense. Later Klemens of Aleandrien and Origenes stood in his tradition, also the founders of the Christian Mönchstums in Egypt.
A tradition, which was continued by Duns Scotus and Scotus Eriugena. See also Athanasius Kircher.
Read. Teleologi view
http://www.kreuz.net/bookentry.1714.html
Karl Christian Friedrich ruffle, philosopher…
http://www.bautz.de/… l/k/Krause_k_c.shtml
Christ comes into RK as Anthropos and/or Anthropus forwards…
Already Paulus made the three-division spirit soul body. And wrote in the NT: „Your body is a temple, in the God lives. “
Bodies, soul and spirit… however the Platonic and/or spirit again-Platonically which can be explained (see Dionysios pseudo Areopagita) is primary.
The soul can be understood stoisch - the body works within the range of the aristotelischen logo.
God is interpreted in the Bible as spirit, light, love and truth.
These are its characteristics.
Christian Gnosis after Paulus and Johannes sets the spirit primarily: spiritueller fall.
That is Pansophie and/or PanEN (!)theismus… NO Pantheismus.
Paulus quotes on the Areopag in Athens the stoischen poet Aratos with one panEN (!)theistischen quotation.
Johannes, like Paulus a representative of Christian Gnosis, naturally used the logos term in a Platonic and/or centralPlatonic sense. Later Klemens of Aleandrien and Origenes stood in his tradition, also the founders of the Christian Mönchstums in Egypt.
A tradition, which was continued by Duns Scotus and Scotus Eriugena. See also Athanasius Kircher.
Read. Teleologi view
http://www.kreuz.net/bookentry.1714.html
Karl Christian Friedrich ruffle, philosopher…
http://www.bautz.de/… l/k/Krause_k_c.shtml
Christ comes into RK as Anthropos and/or Anthropus forwards…
Already Paulus made the three-division spirit soul body. And wrote in the NT: „Your body is a temple, in the God lives. “
Bodies, soul and spirit… however the Platonic and/or spirit again-Platonically which can be explained (see Dionysios pseudo Areopagita) is primary.
The soul can be understood stoisch - the body works within the range of the aristotelischen logo.
God is interpreted in the Bible as spirit, light, love and truth.
These are its characteristics.
Christian Gnosis after Paulus and Johannes sets the spirit primarily: spiritueller fall.
Wednesday, 26 September 2007 14:58
catharina: Rosmini, spirit and noble courage
It seems to give so-called traditionalistischer adjustment the tendency to an verbal swaggering among men. Contributions as the preceding, hardly actually being connected with the topic of the article, rather this only to the cause taking, in order for x-ten marks allegedly strong words over the church hierarchy from the pile to leave, are much-saying examples of it.
It must affect the attentive reader already particularly embarrassingly to find such straight in connection with Rosmini was nevertheless this noble priest (similarly by the way a cardinal Newman) such Gehabe, which also it had to meet with less distinguished persons, absolutely abhold.
The high truth of the revealing faith, the genuine, ungeheuchelte devotion in the alive God and in the unsterblichen souls must after its view to a fine convicition, a mentalness lead, which comes not from the many well readness, but from the contact with the holy one and this testifies before the world.
Again thus a side of its nature, which and straight those, which bear themselves here so machohaft, would have to say much to our time. Often however straight those do not want to hear it, which would have it so necessarily.
Dear readers, we must aim at the Bekehrung not in view of such a shape our hearts, our convicitions and Gesittungen?
It must affect the attentive reader already particularly embarrassingly to find such straight in connection with Rosmini was nevertheless this noble priest (similarly by the way a cardinal Newman) such Gehabe, which also it had to meet with less distinguished persons, absolutely abhold.
The high truth of the revealing faith, the genuine, ungeheuchelte devotion in the alive God and in the unsterblichen souls must after its view to a fine convicition, a mentalness lead, which comes not from the many well readness, but from the contact with the holy one and this testifies before the world.
Again thus a side of its nature, which and straight those, which bear themselves here so machohaft, would have to say much to our time. Often however straight those do not want to hear it, which would have it so necessarily.
Dear readers, we must aim at the Bekehrung not in view of such a shape our hearts, our convicitions and Gesittungen?
Wednesday, 26 September 2007 14:17
Artois †: @Rudolfus
Naturally not!
Wednesday, 26 September 2007 13:59
Rudolfus: Bad Christ governors on the throne Petri
Artois:
Paul VI. might have been a Schwerstkrimineller, which has itself the chair Petri erschlichen. Even if this shape had set a only one legal act as a Pope, the entire catholic faith would be widelegt.
Even if this applied to Paul VI., then it would probably hardly be thereby an individual case in Pope history.
Who knows Pope history and the long row at twilights Pope shapes, how she took place for centuries will not be able to say, that a despotischer or bad Pope could disprove such as Paul VI. the catholic faith.
Paul VI. might have been a Schwerstkrimineller, which has itself the chair Petri erschlichen. Even if this shape had set a only one legal act as a Pope, the entire catholic faith would be widelegt.
Even if this applied to Paul VI., then it would probably hardly be thereby an individual case in Pope history.
Who knows Pope history and the long row at twilights Pope shapes, how she took place for centuries will not be able to say, that a despotischer or bad Pope could disprove such as Paul VI. the catholic faith.
Wednesday, 26 September 2007 13:52
Artois †: @Rudolfus
Paul VI. might have been a Schwerstkrimineller, which has itself the chair Petri erschlichen. Even if this shape had set a only one legal act as a Pope, the entire catholic faith would be widelegt.
Wednesday, 26 September 2007 13:48
Rudolfus: Pauls VITH pursuit of the 1570 A.D kanonisierten Roman fair were illegitimate, Lefebrve in the right
Dr. Otterbeck:
Pope Paul VI. condemned the tradition term of Marcel Lefebvre on 11 October 1976; rightfully, as one sees.
Pope Paul VI. (1963-1978 A.D.) has the 1570 A.D kanonisierte Hl. Roman fair to injustice and without any legal authentication pursues.
To the astonishment of the majority of the church on ground connection Pope placed Benedikt XVI. now in its Apostoli letter SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM of 07. VII. 2007 A.D firmly that kanonisierte 1570 A.D by Pope pc. Pius V. finally Roman measuring book „never “was forbidden.
APOSTOLI CONSTITUTION (printed on latin in each old Roman measuring book)
QUO PRIMUM,
Pope pc. Pius V, 14 July 1570:
„… Therefore, NO one more whosoever is permitted ton of old this notice OF Our by mission, statute, ordinance, COMMAND, precept, grant, indult, declaration, wants, decree, and prohibition. Should know that he wants incur the wrath OF Almighty God and OF the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.
Given RK pc. Peter's into the year OF the Lord's Incarnation, 1570, on the 14th OF July OF the Fifth year OF Our Pontificate. “
Pope Paul VI. condemned the tradition term of Marcel Lefebvre on 11 October 1976; rightfully, as one sees.
Pope Paul VI. (1963-1978 A.D.) has the 1570 A.D kanonisierte Hl. Roman fair to injustice and without any legal authentication pursues.
To the astonishment of the majority of the church on ground connection Pope placed Benedikt XVI. now in its Apostoli letter SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM of 07. VII. 2007 A.D firmly that kanonisierte 1570 A.D by Pope pc. Pius V. finally Roman measuring book „never “was forbidden.
APOSTOLI CONSTITUTION (printed on latin in each old Roman measuring book)
QUO PRIMUM,
Pope pc. Pius V, 14 July 1570:
„… Therefore, NO one more whosoever is permitted ton of old this notice OF Our by mission, statute, ordinance, COMMAND, precept, grant, indult, declaration, wants, decree, and prohibition. Should know that he wants incur the wrath OF Almighty God and OF the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.
Given RK pc. Peter's into the year OF the Lord's Incarnation, 1570, on the 14th OF July OF the Fifth year OF Our Pontificate. “
All reader opinions indicate
25 further reader opinions
The editorship does not take responsibility for contents of the contributions. She reserves herself the right to delete contributions as well as to exclude readers from the debate.








