In the Diözese pc. Pölten is about the bishop to call spirit which it will so fast not get rid again. It is only one question of the time, until it and its priests of it are rolled over completely.

(, pc. Pölten) the bishop von St. Pölten, Mons kreuz.net. Klaus Küng, published defaults for a pool of Pfarreien.

The bishop explained itself as the topic „Pastoralplan “in a longer Hirtenwort from 12 September.

Therein Mons quits. Küng also two of new models for substitution of the past Pfarreiwesens on.

The appropriate text paragraph stands for frameworks under the insignificant subhead „gives, ways looks for “:

„Either ONE becomes PFARRE', in that it only a Pfarrgemeinderat and possibly only one church advice gives from several Pfarren `. Or `a PFARRVERBAND' with intensive co-operation several places and/or municipalities develops. “

Bishop Küng wishes itself in the individual Pfarreien „well working teams “.

They are to be led by a priest. In each Pfarrverband there is to be at least one fair.

„The team “is to leave „the seelsorgliche line “to the priest. In organizational interests and „also in individual seelsorglichen tasks “the team is to support the priest.

Mons. Küng does not define the authority „of the team “opposite the minister.

In a note following the Hirtenbrief the bishop calls several committees, which „the process of the renewal wanted by him “to prepare to be supposed.

There is a group of lines consisting of priests, constant deacons and central employee, a personnel commission, one „engaged group “, one „to group of communications “as well as meeting of the Pastoraleassistenten, the abbotts and the Dechanten.

Fears of the clergymen
In the Diözes pc. Pölten is now feared that the bishop uses the pool of the Pfarreien also in order to push its responsibility away and hide themselves behind „the process “. An explained connoisseur of the Diözese on request of `kreuz.net'.

The line responsibility is replaced by a synodalen process. The Pastoralplan steers itself and orders at the same time with totalitarian requirement.

With the ministers also the fear geistert around that they may not exercise their Hirtenamt soon no more without the agreement of layman committees.

The advice nature saves the tendency to weaken the actual line authority of the priest.

Furthermore by the Pastoralplan the trend to sun-daily word services with Kommunionspendung one strengthen.

Bishop Küng speaks of at least one fair per Pfarrverband.

But it conceals that the fairs in the other Pfarreien - which remain keeping formal in the Pfarrverband - by word services to be replaced could.

Hermi: Swim

Where is Dr. Pytlik actually? Times again when swimming?

God hard: oh möchtegern k

catholic Sundays are coined/shaped of a firm read order in the three yearly Rythmus… the form of the service are insignificant thereby.
Perhaps you take up times contact to Pfarreien in „the recent churches “, which often consist of many municipalities - with a priest.
An extension of your horizon cannot certainly harm your thinking and your estimate situations!
Take please to the knowledge: the high form of the service - the Eucharistiefeier - was not possible never in church history in all municipalities on Sunday - until today!
The church never had structures in such a manner that the Sundays requirement of all catholics could have been fulfilled!
People-church structures á la „catholic from the cradle to the Bahre “were absolute minorities structures - and never world-wide model!

möchtegern kathole: @Typ:

I do not have anything against Rosenkränze, Vespern, May devotions, also recapitulating the reading and the gospel am good and reasonable. There you understood me wrongly - intentionally I assume.

But if one makes a Liturgie with the used texts the used hour at used place - only without transformation, then is completely surely intentional deception.

For what otherwise this text choice?

Type: @ möchtegern kathole

I white, for like stupidly you the people do not hold, but the difference between a Eucharistiefeier and a word God celebration, in which the same readings are announced, is quite recognizable.

By the way the daily gospel is used since always for Benedictus and Magnificat Antiphonen. Do you see there also a danger of mistake?

Is nevertheless good, if those, which do not celebrate Eucharist, hear at least the same readings as the others.

That WGFs take place to the used gate time, not through „Protestantisierung is “conditioned, but pastoral: How quickly the believers run away, if they stand to the used time before locked church doors and/or an empty church! Therefore I cannot recognize anything Anrüchiges to meet in the Sunday morning around the word of the gentleman - it is not replacement for the Eucharist, but it is not despicably, on the contrary. In the Prussia of the Kulturkampf believer without priests Sundays Rosenkranz or other devotions prayed - everything „Protestant “?

I know believer, which found by the regular participation in one Sunday sports association by in a monastery again to the faith. It means reference that Vesper is not Eucharist did not understand, her, for her is everything „to the church goes “. After the logic, which you spread here, one would have to forbid the Sonntgsvesper now to the nuns, only because there are humans, who the difference to the fair not?

Such a imbecility.

möchtegern kathole: @Typ: There…

… you make yourselves it too simple. At the latest, if „the word service takes place “in the Sunday morning and consists of the measuring texts - certainly without transformation -, then that has the attempt to replace the fair by which other one. And that is not uncommon at least.

Or believe do you, the people, which organize that, would be so dumb not to recognize the danger of mistake?

Naturally and the laymen may be supposed pray, but also please not so that with intention a mistake is provoked.

Hermi: We are church

Küng should be distinguished with the honorary membership with „we is church “. He speaks their language and makes their work.