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The ceremony master of many years of two Popes regenerated his past. It tells of fights within the Kurie. The work is at the same time a warning forwards „vorkonziliarem thinking “.
(, Vatikan kreuz.net) in its new book published on English „A Challenging reform “dreams the former ceremony master of the Pope, archbishop Piero Marini (65), of the first time of the so-called liturgical reformation after the second Vatikanum.
The archbishop is at present a president `of the papal committee for international Eucharisti Kongresse'.
The work reminds of the tensions and fights, which accompanied the nachkonziliäre Liturgiereform.
Archbishop Marini warns a thinking in the book before an alleged tendency of conservative Kurienmitglieder, to one „vorkonziliaren “to return.
Many „hard of the liturgical changes “were accompanied of tensions and discrepancies within „the vatikanischen central bureaucracy “- so the archbishop.
Ascent and fall of the notorious `Consiliums'
In the year 1964 Pope Paul VI. created `the Consilium for the implementation Liturgiekonstitution'. it worked in a considerable independence of the Roman Kurie.
`The Consilium' was confronted with the resistance of traditional Kurienmitglieder from the outset - the archbishop deplores itself.
These circles would have tried to throttle the so-called reform by rejecting liturgical changes and Quo wanted the status maintained.
That could not prevent the ascent `of the Consiliums'. In the year 1969 it was raised even to „the Kongregation for the service “.
But only six years later this Kongregation was dissolved in view of an increasing criticism from the Roman Kurie and integrated into `the Kongregation for the Sakramentenpastoral'.
„That was perhaps one of the first references on a tendency to return to vorkonziliaren thinking that for many years the way of thinking of the Kurie characterized “- interpreted Mons. Marini these procedures.
For the future he sees black: In one time, where the temporal distance becomes larger to the second Vatikani council, it seems that the outstanding contribution one is questioned „event from so large hope and so large demand to renewal to “more and more.
Enthusiasm of the local churches?
A large part of the book is the Italian Lazaristenpater and father of the Novus Ordo, Mons. Annibale Bugnini, dedicated. Archbishop Marini was as young priests its secretary.
Under Pater Bugnini `the Consilium' „the liturgical ideas and the enthusiasm of the local churches “strongly considered.
By the partial strategically thought out support of Pope Paul VI. succeeded it `to the Consilium', to cause in which Liturgie salient changes - although the Ritenkongregation tried to block the reforms initially.
The resistance of the Roman Kurie took after Mons. Marini numerous forms on: open contradiction or articles, which was published under aliases.
Circulars and handbills are circulate. More frequently it gave secret meetings.
When `the Consilium' accomplished Vatikan behind locked doors liturgical experiments in a chapel in the proximity, were in Rome rumors circulates, according to which „unbelievable Häresien was prepared “.
But Mons. Bugnini remained nevertheless the central figure of the so-called reform movement.
When he was appointed 1969 - one introduced the year as the Novus Ordo - to the secretary of the again created Kongregation for the service, that seemed „a moment of the Triumphes “- in such a way Mons. Marini.
Cardinal plots
The again-created „Kongregation for the service “saw its first task in spreading and retain the alleged reforms of the second Vatikanums, explains the archbishop: Thus the attacks of the Kurie became still stronger.
In his book archbishop Marini mentions a handbill, which circulated in the Vatikan. Whereupon it is confessed that in the new fair „the existence becomes officially appreciative of splitting and Schisma “.
Two Kurienkardinäle wrote the Pope that the reforms represented one „alarming deviation “of catholic theology.
Although the reforms continued and were dedicated Pater Bugnini to the archbishop, its position had been however increasingly weakened - partly because of its own „determination, even stubbornness “.
Archbishop Bugnini was straight in the vacation, when its fate was sealed in the year 1975 with a private meeting.
The Gottesdienstkongregation was abolished, appointed archbishop Bugnini the Apostoli pro Nuntius and sent into Iran.
After these changes „the salient style of the Consiliums was up-sucked “according to data of archbishop Marini „step by step of a rather traditional style “- Mons judges. Marini the result.
© frontispiece: José Cruz/Abr, CC
The archbishop is at present a president `of the papal committee for international Eucharisti Kongresse'.
The work reminds of the tensions and fights, which accompanied the nachkonziliäre Liturgiereform.
Archbishop Marini warns a thinking in the book before an alleged tendency of conservative Kurienmitglieder, to one „vorkonziliaren “to return.
Many „hard of the liturgical changes “were accompanied of tensions and discrepancies within „the vatikanischen central bureaucracy “- so the archbishop.
Ascent and fall of the notorious `Consiliums'
In the year 1964 Pope Paul VI. created `the Consilium for the implementation Liturgiekonstitution'. it worked in a considerable independence of the Roman Kurie.
`The Consilium' was confronted with the resistance of traditional Kurienmitglieder from the outset - the archbishop deplores itself.
These circles would have tried to throttle the so-called reform by rejecting liturgical changes and Quo wanted the status maintained.
That could not prevent the ascent `of the Consiliums'. In the year 1969 it was raised even to „the Kongregation for the service “.
But only six years later this Kongregation was dissolved in view of an increasing criticism from the Roman Kurie and integrated into `the Kongregation for the Sakramentenpastoral'.
„That was perhaps one of the first references on a tendency to return to vorkonziliaren thinking that for many years the way of thinking of the Kurie characterized “- interpreted Mons. Marini these procedures.
For the future he sees black: In one time, where the temporal distance becomes larger to the second Vatikani council, it seems that the outstanding contribution one is questioned „event from so large hope and so large demand to renewal to “more and more.
Enthusiasm of the local churches?
A large part of the book is the Italian Lazaristenpater and father of the Novus Ordo, Mons. Annibale Bugnini, dedicated. Archbishop Marini was as young priests its secretary.
Under Pater Bugnini `the Consilium' „the liturgical ideas and the enthusiasm of the local churches “strongly considered.
By the partial strategically thought out support of Pope Paul VI. succeeded it `to the Consilium', to cause in which Liturgie salient changes - although the Ritenkongregation tried to block the reforms initially.
The resistance of the Roman Kurie took after Mons. Marini numerous forms on: open contradiction or articles, which was published under aliases.
Circulars and handbills are circulate. More frequently it gave secret meetings.
When `the Consilium' accomplished Vatikan behind locked doors liturgical experiments in a chapel in the proximity, were in Rome rumors circulates, according to which „unbelievable Häresien was prepared “.
But Mons. Bugnini remained nevertheless the central figure of the so-called reform movement.
When he was appointed 1969 - one introduced the year as the Novus Ordo - to the secretary of the again created Kongregation for the service, that seemed „a moment of the Triumphes “- in such a way Mons. Marini.
Cardinal plots
The again-created „Kongregation for the service “saw its first task in spreading and retain the alleged reforms of the second Vatikanums, explains the archbishop: Thus the attacks of the Kurie became still stronger.
In his book archbishop Marini mentions a handbill, which circulated in the Vatikan. Whereupon it is confessed that in the new fair „the existence becomes officially appreciative of splitting and Schisma “.
Two Kurienkardinäle wrote the Pope that the reforms represented one „alarming deviation “of catholic theology.
Although the reforms continued and were dedicated Pater Bugnini to the archbishop, its position had been however increasingly weakened - partly because of its own „determination, even stubbornness “.
Archbishop Bugnini was straight in the vacation, when its fate was sealed in the year 1975 with a private meeting.
The Gottesdienstkongregation was abolished, appointed archbishop Bugnini the Apostoli pro Nuntius and sent into Iran.
After these changes „the salient style of the Consiliums was up-sucked “according to data of archbishop Marini „step by step of a rather traditional style “- Mons judges. Marini the result.
© frontispiece: José Cruz/Abr, CC
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Monday, 17 December 2007 15:46
Coarse home: Benedikt
Is nevertheless also which…
Monday, 17 December 2007 12:48
Benedikt: @ coarse home
United at least in the section discussed last.
Monday, 17 December 2007 06:04
Coarse home: Benedikt
Then are we nevertheless an opinion, or?
Sunday, 16 December 2007 20:28
Rudolfus: Regulation in accordance with celebrated new one fair does not give it according to standard,
in particular in the prescribed coming union from division with Hostienpatene.
As a church-faithful catholic nothing at all different one remains for one to visit than the old person Roman fair,
in particular also into the FSSPX Notstandspfarreien and - churches.
As a church-faithful catholic nothing at all different one remains for one to visit than the old person Roman fair,
in particular also into the FSSPX Notstandspfarreien and - churches.
Sunday, 16 December 2007 20:22
Benedikt: @ coarse home
Damage cannot do that naturally, which disturbs me however substantial, is the attitude of many Zeigenossen here, which, only this form of the Hl mean. Fair is the only true… the fact that disturbs me… and I resist me, also therefore, there I from the Eucharistiefeier in which, lives tidy form!
Of it keep I also nothing, I clear turn likewise against it. Also I am in a completely normal municipality at home, in which it gives „only “forma ordinaria, which I visit also usually.
Of it keep I also nothing, I clear turn likewise against it. Also I am in a completely normal municipality at home, in which it gives „only “forma ordinaria, which I visit also usually.
Sunday, 16 December 2007 20:15
Rudolfus: @Tridentinus: Those would not even regulation-in accordance with-eat Missa Ordinaria gives it in Rome according to standard
Tridentinus
in accordance with Editio the Typica of 2002 celebrated Liturgie. In practice now perhaps those gives it in Rome or with the Opus Dei. In other landläufigen practice in fact not. That is e i n main problem, coarse home.
Completely regulation in accordance with celebrated Missa the Ordinaria does not even give it in Rome according to standard - see the Pope people fairs in its coming union from division,
and also the remaining Roman parish churches are in practice not different than in this country.
in accordance with Editio the Typica of 2002 celebrated Liturgie. In practice now perhaps those gives it in Rome or with the Opus Dei. In other landläufigen practice in fact not. That is e i n main problem, coarse home.
Completely regulation in accordance with celebrated Missa the Ordinaria does not even give it in Rome according to standard - see the Pope people fairs in its coming union from division,
and also the remaining Roman parish churches are in practice not different than in this country.
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