On their spring plenary assembly the German bishops discussed yesterday the Ökumene. A backward step in the question of the unit of the Christians is to be avoided. To aim at continuing on the way of the Ökumene. Fatigue symptoms.

(, Cloppenburg kreuz.net) in the context of their spring plenary assembly, that takes place for Monday in north Germans the pile field at Cloppenburg, the German bishops treated the topic of the Ökumene on Wednesday. Particularly the document „of the united Evangelical-Lutheran church in Germany “to the general Priestertum and to the surgery one discussed. „Lutheraner combined “in a recently published letter the reached partial consent in the office question the back turned.

Opposite „radio Vatikan “regretted the Bamberger archbishop Ludwig sends a flickering of the dividednesses. That is an ecumenical „backward step “. At the same time the bishop with appointment stressed on the holy father that it was important to further-walk on the way of the Ökumene „around to more unit in the faith to come “.

Also the chairman of the Ökumene commission, bishop Gerhard Ludwig Mueller of Regensburg, expressed himself for a far course „of the ecumenical movement “. This is the will Jesu of Christ: „Nobody can have or publicise or in practice implement so a conception that the Christians must live simply into all eternity in different communities side by side. “

The Christians would have the order to designate and as far as possible overcome their differences in all honesty and conscientiousness, in order to arrive in such a way at „the visible unit “to the church.

Also cardinal Karl Lehmann, the chairman of the German bishop conference, spoke in his lecture about the Ökumene. It referred to serious ecumenical points of issue, which it is not valid „cheaply to solve “, because the Eucharist is too precious and one may to all few a will falsify. The Eucharist is not a Sakrament under other sakramentalen indications, separates expresses religious the public interest of the entire church. Church and Eucharistiegemeinschaft would stand in closest relationship.

GerdEric: you have no universitäre historical education,

A large word…
As would be it,
if you would express yourself understandably and
it us to explain could?

with cordial thanks

Athanasius: No Universitäre education

Fact does not remain, it has any universitäre historical education, because Luther gave itself fully the power controversy of the princes of Saxonia with Rome and the Habsburgern.

Its wife broke her Gelübde.
It however also, without looking for Dispenzation.

The priest belobt to remain nevertheless unmarried, or? Or Luther not?
May one break sowas simply?
„Yours, is, and yours no, no! “

And your note are besides insulting for the zölibatäre catholic Priestertum, alsob they not „well “act. Sank Paul learns differently!

The church went it naturally also around power receipt, but it is not like that this was only one-sided. Besides one was particularly anxious over the believers, the tension between Saxonia and Rome made the worldly only secondary.

GerdEric: Gelübdebruch

Athanasius: Therefore I that Luther was also undisciplined, say straight ones because of Gelübdebruch and Konkubinat.

surely do not hold I much of Luther,
however one cannot accuse to him,
a Gelübde to have broken,
under a wrong condition developed.
God does not have to be also the priest required alone, because it is not good,
if humans alone are,
because man and woman are only humans,
if man and woman together in a marriage live.

And also the catholic leaders have well with Luther and its
(according to my opinion politically motivated, like however nevertheless also the majority of the catholic)
worldly gentlemen together worked,
when it concerned,
the justified demands that of people,
the farmers and body-own,
also the church,
to suppress.
Straight one with the latter primarily only went it around keeping in power and suppression,
not however around a religious guidance of the people,
as it did Moses.

mfg
GerdEric

joergx2000: Pope Paul VI - Ökumene? No thanks!

… there one must nevertheless only times define which the Protestantism is:

Quotation out „Komendium of the Christian teachings “
of hl. Pope Pius X., page 367:
„The Protsetantismus or the reformed religion like their founders called, is a sum of all erring teachings, which were before it, were after it and after it still develop can, in order to spoil the souls, arrogant-proves it. “

… and which the modern council clerics understand under
Ökumene?

Affectionate embracing reconciling with and first one gläubigen, when simultaneous self-destruction and weakening the vorkonziliaren traditions of the church,
(Keyword reconciled difference) freely after the slogan:
You can do further persistent all our dogmas denials,
because these are eh snow from yesterday. You can calmly further in your lies believe. Your soul
comes for it into spoiling (d.H.in hell)
but concealing we rather, because all are finally saved. And hell and purgatory do not give it.
To all few must one good works on ground connection for living persons and the deceased perform. Finally is valid:
- Sola Fide (alone from grace one comes into the sky)
- Sola Scriptura (the holy writing we steal you, and we do not need your teaching profession. We put hl. Writing
thus from like it us into the stuff fits. )

And with such a religion wants one Ökumene to operate?
There I say only: Pfui devil.
Which those is persistent to today the infallible theorems of the council of Trient from a religion to hold
denies or relates? Dogmas are to be seen always absolute however. They are always valid. Who also only one dogma completely openly for futile explained itself immediately
excluded.

The Protestants are in the faith erring, but no devil. One must pray stop for it thereby it to bekehren itself. Against it the dialogue is totally useless.
All humans have this rescue chance so for a long time it to live. Because that the infinitely fair and infinitely barmherzige God wants that all are saved.
Afterwards is it past. Then which IT court one holds.
In all other respects says already hl. Writing (Allioli, 2 Joh 10):
„If someone to you comes and this teachings does not bring along, then accept him not in's house and greet it also not “

Rückkehrökumene? Obviously!

Jesus Christ is praised.

Willi: Ökumene

Only once to me: I left myself only with 40 catholic baptism. And many other Christian communities before looked around. I white thus why I catholic am.
My opinion to the Ökumene is: It is good is in the discussion to be however with clear catholic accent!
I ask I however where the Ökumene to lead oneself am? An example is the unit translation of the Bible, it becomes in the catholic church in hl. Fair used, „the Protestants “use still their Luther Bible in the protestant word services. Where please is there the Ökumene?!
Well, the more intelligent one gives way as well known. However it (we) may do giving way to it the stupider one not so long is.

sttn: @Athanasius

Concerning Luther: Yes and? Therefore it does not go nevertheless. It stands for us catholics not too darüebr strictly to judge, because how much Popes (+ bishops etc.…) were likewise undisciplined (are)?
Which did not say Luther was so wrongly and led to it that has the catholic church changed. And if the catholic church had been more intelligent at that time, then it would have come also not to splitting.