With the last communion Christ did not look his Aposteln in the face. But in the material existing new one fair is not that the only problem.

(kreuz.net) at the meal table of a church become a priest the actor of the fair.

The criticized the secretary of the Liturgie kongregation, archbishop Albert Malcolm Ranjith Patabendige Don (60), to 20. May during a guest lecture at the theological University of Vienna.

The international video web page `gloria.tv' published excerpts of the English-language lecture in addition on Monday.

The priests regarded their liturgical task as well fulfilled, if this were dramatically implemented - the archbishop continued to explain: „If they the people look at, then they feel powerful. “

The archbishop warned that many priests could not deal with their own ego correctly. If the priest looks at the cross instead of the people, it is in a demütigeren position.

In the lecture Mons mentioned. Ranjith also the debate about the body attitude of Christ with the last communion.

It weakened the rumor that the welfare and had opposite-sat on this occasion the Aposteln. This view is based on a wrong conception, how an ancient meal looked.

In the antiquity the chairman of a flank and its society would have never looked at themselves.

Hosts and guests sat at a hufeisenförmigen table. The opposite side remained empty, in order to make for the table service possible the entrance.

Argument that the priest - like Jesus with the last communion - which in the face was to look believers designated Mons. Ranjith as „not scientifically “.

A further large damage in the Liturgie is for the archbishop the present role confusion in the Presbyterium. Priest tasks of the laymen and to fulfill in reverse.

Furthermore Mons regretted. Ranjith that latin Liturgiesprache disappeared in shortest time nearly completely.

The use of its own language is as a sign of the Sakralen an old practice.

As examples Mons called. Ranjith the dead languages Sanskrit in the Hinduismus and Pali in the Buddhismus.

The Islam uses Arab Koran. In addition Ranjith told an occurence from its time as Nuntius in Indonesia.

At that time a Imam in the mosque used the national language. He was therefore arrested and locked up for three years.

In the lecture Mons counted. Ranjith further changes up, which the Liturgie harmed:

• the change of the Zelebrationsrichtung,
• the hand coming union,
• an ironical understanding of the concept „of the Participatio actuosa “,
• giving up of the silence and worshipping as well as the gestures of kneeling and bowing.

The archbishop criticizes also an understanding of the fair as large celebration:

„, Brings this and that brings your guitars, brings as much noise as possible. “

Refuge Metzker: And whom we want to arrange church?

It concerns not at all the divine, but only around Buhlschaft of the votes.
God spoke Paulus at the Sinai, then Jesus to its Jews, then to the whole world, then Hieronymus that came the first Bible sketched, the encyclopedia of the Christian world. Then came gottesfürchtige, honourable Popes, in addition, criminals, Brandschatzer, and Hurer, who became Popes. Can we explain or arrange church to whom?
Up to now in the year 2008 still around one argues, which the correct worshipping form is. In which form can one the believers again into the churches to get? Dumber it does not go any longer.
Jesus, which seized the words of the father together, said once: If with your father want to speak it, a quiet Kämmerlein goes, but does not make it not like the theologians before the church, (it must in this connection means) into, which want to be only populist it shown.

Jesus knew why he the words of the father again after 1600 years to explain had, why? Because she no more did not understand, and he hoped for a new meditation.
This is also the task of the church today. We have another spirit of the time as thus at times of the Trienter of council, different results! But before 350 years also different social structures were present.

The gentleman is all time with you,
Refuge.

Bernd current mountain: Power as much noise as possible…

Perhaps a small example of the addressed „noise “: Opening singing. The music is not very loud, but nevertheless everything else as beautiful. I hear the voices, which call: „That is a style of our time “. Now, that may be it, but she does not belong reliably to the best, which are to be used for the Liturgie. It works primitively and flat. And it does not speak really for our time, if we music in styles of „department store music “- there it has surely its place - into our churches to get.

This is not at all because of here from many in such a way geschmähten „Novus ordo “. It is an abusive practice, which would have condemned the majority of the council fathers with abhorrence, and I think, on the other hand the archbishop turns. It supports an authentic and appropriate Zelebration straight „of the tidy custom “. One should be at the expressions, which are partially really quite unfortunate, transacted by him, not to for a long time. Because the tendency is quite correct, and which becomes also the advocates of the tidy custom to surely admit. We need a Liturgiereform, a liturgical movement, which makes us clear that commonalities and Simplifizierung of Liturgie death the same are. In the sense of the second Vatikanums are not they anyway!

Socialcatholic: Incomprehensibly

In the lecture Mons counted. Ranjith further changes up, which the Liturgie harmed:

• the change of the Zelebrationsrichtung,
• the hand coming union,
• an ironical understanding of the concept „of the Participatio actuosa “,
• giving up of the silence and worshipping as well as the gestures of kneeling and bowing.

Yes, these things must again away, otherwise humans begin to pray more nacher still and are still faced with within a responsibility God.

Free LG0 suppl.: Ranjith away-carry

I can only repeat, what I expressed already in former times: Ranjith away-carry, but Marini I (not M. II with the attraction laundry choir shirts) the boss of the Gottesdienstkongregation make.

ottaviani: God hard

often already at that time liturgical modernism in the German linguistic area that is anyway admits sees that more roughly to memorandum against into the 1940iger years a certain Karl Rahner in the field was already sent

clarissa colonia: The unpleasantness of Widerholungen recalling

I do it nevertheless persistent again:

Thanks, worth God hard, to support like probably already at that time the Magnificat (be enough before the bad Pastoralkonzil) an attempt was to cause participatio actuosa or at least. Owing to for your letter!