Contents-empty and dust drying
The church escape from the symbol is an illusion: „Even the most nothing-saying concrete sculpture has a message - and is it those that it stands for emptying of sense, Sprachlosigkeit, self task. “
(kreuz.net) „splendour-full mosques sting meager churches out “. Under this title wrote the journalist thank-wait Guratzsch (68) to 23. May in the German daily paper `the Welt' an article.
The journalist sees a substantial difference between the modern church and building of mosques:
Magnificent mosques against shoe boxes
„Magnificent ones new mosques witness from the increasing self-confidence of the Islam in Germany. New churches however resemble in this country rather shoe boxes and shelters. “
So the Christianity wants to adapt to the worldly taste: „However harms the religion. “
Guratzsch interprets the numerous mosques, which are planned and built at present in Germany, as an indication of Kraft and Selbstbewußtsein Islam:
„The inexorable radical change and identity change of whole cities goes around. “
The self understanding of the majority society is partly already in such a way weakened that this shakes itself in its mental foundations and does not feel competitive any longer.
Guratzsch refers to „culturalscientific Institut “in meal, which made the question about Sakralbauten and mosque conflicts the topic of a congress and particularly the role of architecture for „the shaping of religious freedom “tried to plumb.
The congress concerns itself also with the question whether it would not be an easy to defuse mosque architecture by Entsinnlichung and weakening the symbols.
Already world-wide alternatives to minaret and dome would develop, from the traditional symbolism separated - the congress organizers tried to suggest.
„However with this aspect they remained themselves for Guratzsch completely in the grinding mill of enlightened thinking imprisoned “- in such a way.
Synchronising by Entsymbolisierung
The behind it-standing utopia is the old faith formula of the modern trend: „Equality by Entsymbolisierung. One can also say: by defusing. “
If from a church a crate becomes, contents are exchangeable and their spirituelle arbitrary action would lose.
The churches would have built a squinting with their „after more worldliness “for a long time on this conception of integration into the society:
„Places of worship became shoe boxes and shelters, Schneckenhäusern and glass pyramids, their architect led the tendency to contents-empty Theatralik and dust-dry objectivity the indication pin. “
Fade Belanglosigkeit
„The insight seems only now to arise that such Kokettieren with the worldly taste made the faith homeless that for sense pin end Metaphorik against fade Belanglosigkeit was exchanged “- so Guratzsch:
This lack feeling increases in the confrontation with the Islam for loss experience: „It returns now from the Orient with the whole seduction strength long of a missed luxury to the West? “
The Gegenzauber of the strange picture worlds meets the enlightened modern trend in a vulnerable place:
Lost themselves
„During the defenders of the building of mosques” openness “and” transparency “of their places of worship proclaim and to their visit, for the use of the libraries and training mechanisms also by Christians and Atheisten call, are able themselves architects and church representatives” more modern west “provenance to a” play with ambivalence “to only admit “.
The escape from the symbol is not anything as pure illusion: „Also still the most nothing-saying concrete sculpture has a message - and is it those that it stands for emptying of sense, Sprachlosigkeit, self task. “
Guratzsch sees the Christian churches before an enormous task of the self identification:
„Poorness, small courage and retreat mentality, which today like a discharge model it lets the Christian building of churches appear alienated the picture of the cathedral from that one of the sky so far that it became unrecognizable. “
The journalist sees a substantial difference between the modern church and building of mosques:
Magnificent mosques against shoe boxes
„Magnificent ones new mosques witness from the increasing self-confidence of the Islam in Germany. New churches however resemble in this country rather shoe boxes and shelters. “
So the Christianity wants to adapt to the worldly taste: „However harms the religion. “
Guratzsch interprets the numerous mosques, which are planned and built at present in Germany, as an indication of Kraft and Selbstbewußtsein Islam:
„The inexorable radical change and identity change of whole cities goes around. “
The self understanding of the majority society is partly already in such a way weakened that this shakes itself in its mental foundations and does not feel competitive any longer.
Guratzsch refers to „culturalscientific Institut “in meal, which made the question about Sakralbauten and mosque conflicts the topic of a congress and particularly the role of architecture for „the shaping of religious freedom “tried to plumb.
The congress concerns itself also with the question whether it would not be an easy to defuse mosque architecture by Entsinnlichung and weakening the symbols.
Already world-wide alternatives to minaret and dome would develop, from the traditional symbolism separated - the congress organizers tried to suggest.
„However with this aspect they remained themselves for Guratzsch completely in the grinding mill of enlightened thinking imprisoned “- in such a way.
Synchronising by Entsymbolisierung
The behind it-standing utopia is the old faith formula of the modern trend: „Equality by Entsymbolisierung. One can also say: by defusing. “
If from a church a crate becomes, contents are exchangeable and their spirituelle arbitrary action would lose.
The churches would have built a squinting with their „after more worldliness “for a long time on this conception of integration into the society:
„Places of worship became shoe boxes and shelters, Schneckenhäusern and glass pyramids, their architect led the tendency to contents-empty Theatralik and dust-dry objectivity the indication pin. “
Fade Belanglosigkeit
„The insight seems only now to arise that such Kokettieren with the worldly taste made the faith homeless that for sense pin end Metaphorik against fade Belanglosigkeit was exchanged “- so Guratzsch:
This lack feeling increases in the confrontation with the Islam for loss experience: „It returns now from the Orient with the whole seduction strength long of a missed luxury to the West? “
The Gegenzauber of the strange picture worlds meets the enlightened modern trend in a vulnerable place:
Lost themselves
„During the defenders of the building of mosques” openness “and” transparency “of their places of worship proclaim and to their visit, for the use of the libraries and training mechanisms also by Christians and Atheisten call, are able themselves architects and church representatives” more modern west “provenance to a” play with ambivalence “to only admit “.
The escape from the symbol is not anything as pure illusion: „Also still the most nothing-saying concrete sculpture has a message - and is it those that it stands for emptying of sense, Sprachlosigkeit, self task. “
Guratzsch sees the Christian churches before an enormous task of the self identification:
„Poorness, small courage and retreat mentality, which today like a discharge model it lets the Christian building of churches appear alienated the picture of the cathedral from that one of the sky so far that it became unrecognizable. “
Friday, 6 June 2008 17:34
Vineta: And we do not have to oppose them anything,
the Muslim immigrants, which strotzen before Kraft and Selbstbewußtsein,
1) … as empty churches, which resemble shoe boxes, shelters, Schneckenhäusern, glass pyramids etc., exchangeably with other inconsequential buildings, and which express emptying of sense and self task instead of unmistakable faith homeland.
2)… as a society, for which the Egotrip became more important than the family co-operation and those cheers a misusing of tax funds for abortions and Homoeinrichtungen.
3) … as politicians, who those, which want to feel their brazen demands as imposition and stop them, when racingists and Nazis pursue.
1) … as empty churches, which resemble shoe boxes, shelters, Schneckenhäusern, glass pyramids etc., exchangeably with other inconsequential buildings, and which express emptying of sense and self task instead of unmistakable faith homeland.
2)… as a society, for which the Egotrip became more important than the family co-operation and those cheers a misusing of tax funds for abortions and Homoeinrichtungen.
3) … as politicians, who those, which want to feel their brazen demands as imposition and stop them, when racingists and Nazis pursue.
Friday, 6 June 2008 16:20
Blind_Watchmaker: more @Lutheraner
with verbl. Romance do not only mean I it (religöses) a Germany imagine that not possibly convertible is due to medieval conception those are a little race hostile.
I have nothing against a mixture of cultures only should to everyone his church in his (homeland) village leave.
I have nothing against a mixture of cultures only should to everyone his church in his (homeland) village leave.
Friday, 6 June 2008 16:02
Lutheraner: Blind_Watchmaker
It is nice that you call „it in such a way “. But which please you mean with „verblendeter Romatik “?
, Then I determined, am afraid the Christians nothing as much as the truth. Before it they hide, or feel, hidden behind general places, so awkwardly that them do not understand anybody. Do you know, what you mean?
Did you use yourselves for the European Union? Then you have to be jerky all reason, because on the one hand you would have many condition and human right breaks carried, covered, on the other hand are approaching for you a bitter lesson. Because the way of the European Union is to the end.
I am the wrong opponent anyhow.
, Then I determined, am afraid the Christians nothing as much as the truth. Before it they hide, or feel, hidden behind general places, so awkwardly that them do not understand anybody. Do you know, what you mean?
Did you use yourselves for the European Union? Then you have to be jerky all reason, because on the one hand you would have many condition and human right breaks carried, covered, on the other hand are approaching for you a bitter lesson. Because the way of the European Union is to the end.
I am the wrong opponent anyhow.
Friday, 6 June 2008 15:39
Blind_Watchmaker: Luther has said…
„Who a Christian wants to be, stings its reason the eyes out “
About from there it one can understand you (Lutheraner) such, I calls it times verblendeteten romance purged and accordingly the world „regards “.
Which is not to mean which I „viralem “building of mosques agrees.
About from there it one can understand you (Lutheraner) such, I calls it times verblendeteten romance purged and accordingly the world „regards “.
Which is not to mean which I „viralem “building of mosques agrees.
Friday, 6 June 2008 15:21
Lutheraner: The old gloss is there
It confesses, it to you bonbonfarbenen Christians. Your idea of man is hollow, it is foreigncertain.
Therefore you the last decades the same Götzen afterwards ran as the people's parties: inspired of anti-national tendency Christ equal, who desire for a central state, which despises mixes all European cultures to a highly liquid mash, right and law, terror exercises and force, Ethnien as sheep over a comb shears, and which at the end a Zäpfchen for the Israeliten was bare. Now are you burned out and looks for mental goals. But are there none, because there never which were. So ward the Christianity for the float of the Obskuren.
Therefore you the last decades the same Götzen afterwards ran as the people's parties: inspired of anti-national tendency Christ equal, who desire for a central state, which despises mixes all European cultures to a highly liquid mash, right and law, terror exercises and force, Ethnien as sheep over a comb shears, and which at the end a Zäpfchen for the Israeliten was bare. Now are you burned out and looks for mental goals. But are there none, because there never which were. So ward the Christianity for the float of the Obskuren.
Friday, 6 June 2008 14:38
iustus: In addition fits
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