Maria, the analogy of the holy spirit on ground connection and the Sophia RK - the Ruach Elohim, was made of Jesu at the cross to the foster mother of the Jüngers Johannes and thus the entire church.
The holy spirit lives in the Christian churches. After Johannes, which assumed highest rank under the Jüngern (even still before Petrus).
Provocatively identify yourself Jesus in its cross-examine before the high advice with the people son:
„The high priest contacted him again there and asked: Are you the Messiah, the son of the high-praised?
Jesus said: I am it. _ and it will the son to right the power sit and with the cloud the sky come see.
There the high priest tore his garb up and called: For what do we need still witnesses? Their the Gotteslästerung heard. “
Markus 14, 60-63
Because the law is given by Mose; the grace and the truth are
by JEsum Christum
The person term, that the Christianity interestingly enough in interaction with of the…
Wednesday, 5 September 2007 08:28
Bokrug †: Ruach Elohim - Hl. Spirit in the Trinität
… Greek philosophy developed, counts by the assistance of the Paulus to the largest innovations and achievements of history of ideas.
Already Paulus took the three-division body soul--Spirit forwards.
1 Korinther 12, 4 - 7
„There is however differences of grace gifts, but [it is] the same spirit; and there are differences of services, and [it is] the same gentleman; and there is differences of effects, but [it is] the same God, which work everything in all. “
In the Bible is located over God,
that „of it and by him and to him all things are “. Alpha and omega.
(Röm. 11:36; 1. Kor. 8:6; Kol. 1:16; Hebr. 2: 10)
With all these results and principles is correct
therefore the conviction, the Paulus in its
Areopagrede in Athens to the expression brings: „In it
(God) we live and move “(Apg. 17: 2.
Christ, the son of God, receives and carries all things
by the word of its power (Hebr. 1: 3). The whole
University versum has its „together existence “by it.
„The universe exists together in it “(Kol. 1, 17).
„The universe exists together in (!!!) “a kabbalistische or also however again-Platonic view of God interprets for it (with the Gleichnis of the divinity as ball without delimitation, in which the being end is, on).
After the Bible however both realnesses are, those
visible and the invisible, not at all (in
To equate senses of the Pantheismus), but into one another
verwoben. This causes already the simultaneous
Over worldliness (HP. 93) and inside worldliness of God
(HP. 139) automatically.
„The spirit blows, where it wants. “(Joh. 3. To Joh. 3,8 one edge-notes in the inhabitant of zurich Bible (1982): „In Greek the same word means at the same time `a Wind' and `Geist'. “
There is also the place:
Joh 4,24a „God is spirit,… “
„The spirit do not extinguish, instruction saying despised not; examine however everything, property hold. Of all kind of the bad one keep you far “(1st Thes. 5,19-22)
The catholic church sees in Maria the Biblical shape, to Sonnenweibes' (Offb. 12,1: A large indication in the sky appeared: a woman, in which sun dresses, and which moon under their feet, and on its head a crown of twelve stars), who carries a wreath/ring of 12 stars on the head. Pope Johannes Paul II. said: , Turns we from there again our view of the mother of the redeemer of the world too, the woman of secret revealing of the Johannes, the woman, with the sun bekleidet'. for Marienverehrer is blue the color Mariens. The European flag brings to the expression: Maria is the lady of Europe.
The holy spirit corresponds the Sophia of Old Testament!
The Sophia of Old Testament is the female logos. The holy spirit of the New Testament.
The holy spirit is like the logos Christ (Metathron, Metatronos in Old Testament) the intermediary to God.
The holy spirit (the Sophia RK) finds its terrestrial correspondence in Maria!
Bible places, where the holy spirit (Sophia) acts as a person and steps with other persons into relationship: They see particularly clear e.g. in Joh the 16,13f, where a male pronoun refers on in the Greek neutral word πνευμα the Pneuma (spirit). Röm 8.26 the spirit for us, in Apg 8.39 enters works it wonders, in Joh 16.8 transfers it of the sin. He can be deceived (Apg 5.3), to be betrübt (Eph 4.30), to be gelästert (Mt 12.31). The Apostel uses it in Apg 15.28 together with itself as subject of the sentence („the holy spirit and we have decided… “).
The term Pneuma plays a central role in the person Jesu. Already its Empfängnis happens under effect of the holy spirit (Matthäusevangelium 1.18-20). Of the Pneuma it is driven into the desert, in order the temptations there to resist (Markusevangelium 1.12). As spirit carrier he takes over its public office (Lukasevangelium 4.14); on it now the Pneuma of the Mr. (Mt rests 12,1. With its assistance Jesus in the position is to break the rule of the Satans (Mt 12,2. This does not mean however that Jesus dämonische forces might be subordinated (Mk 3,29f). The Auferweckung Jesu of the dead ones means a transition to its way Pneuma (Roman letter 1.4), with which Jesus is identified as a Mr. (Kyrios) (2nd Korintherbrief 3.17).
In the long run the Christianity is not over the word a thing of the heart and feeling (holy spirit) and the soul… a bare understanding thing.
The Pneuma in the Christian municipality with Paulus
For Paulus is nearly each life expression of the church effect Pneuma. Already with the constitution of the Christian municipality is the Pneuma at the work (1st Korintherbrief 12.13). The Pneuma is a grace gift (charisma), which is differently distributed with the believers (Röm 12.6 FF.). Paulus sets up an order of rank of the charismas and requires its Indienstnahme into the structure of the municipality (1 Kor 12ff.).
Paulus knows also a wrong Pneuma that „from the version bring the municipality and hunt in frights “can (2nd Thessalonicherbrief 2.2). It is „the ability to differentiate between the spirit “(1 Kor 12.10) necessarily.
All the mental its believers carries out itself in the Pneuma. In the faith as eschatologische benediction gift is received and with it „the life “. The Pneuma sanctifies the believing; even their body is „a temple “Pneuma. It means freedom of the rule of the sin, death (Röm 8.2) and the law (Galaterbrief 5,1. The believer may however these in the Pneuma granted freedom not to „the cause for the meat “(Gal 5.13) to take, but is in its moral existence of Pneuma to be led be able (Gal 5,16f). The Pneuma is the foundation of the welfare, but not yet its fulfillment. Paulus calls it from there „Erstlingsgabe “(Röm 8.23) or „Angeld “(2 Kor 1.22) of the total welfare. The believers expect strength of the Pneuma „the hoped for justice “(Gal 5.5) and v.the Auferweckung of the dead ones in a spirit body.
„True, indeed, I says you: who believes in me, which will also do the works, which I do, and he will do still larger than these; because I go to the father. “Johannes 14 12
Roemers 7:6
„However we are detached from the law now, since we died, where we were held, so that we serve in the new one of the spirit and not in the old person of the letter. “
Roemers 8:2
„The law of the spirit of the life in Christ Jesus has you freely made of the law of the sin and death. “
1 Korinther 2:4
„and my speech and my lecture [existed] not in persuading words of the wisdom, but in proving the spirit and Kraft, “
2 Korinther 3:6
„us made also efficient to servants of the new federation, not the letter, but the spirit. Because the letter kills, the spirit however makes alive. “
1 Korinther 12:7
„However revealing the spirit is given to everyone to the use “
1 Korinther 14 1:31
Korinther 12
„Which concerns however the religious [gifts], brothers, then I do not want that it without knowledge are.
_ you know, that it, as it to the heath belong, to which mute Götzenbildern draw, tear.
Therefore I do you kund that nobody, which talks in the spirit of God says: Curse over Jesus! and nobody to say can: Mr. Jesus! except in the holy spirit.
There is however differences of grace gifts, but [it is] the same spirit; and there are differences of services, and [it is] the same gentleman; and there is differences of effects, but [it is] the same God, which work everything in all.
However revealing the spirit is given to everyone to the use.
By the spirit the word of the wisdom is given to the one, another however the word of the realization after the same spirit; another however faith in the same spirit, another however grace gifts of the healings into a spirit, another however [miracle] forces, another however instruction saying, another however distinctions of the spirit; another however [different] kinds of languages, another however interpretation of the languages. All of this however influences and the same spirit and divides everyone particularly out, as he wants.
Because like the body one is and many members has, all members of the body however, although many are, a body: so also the Christ.
Because in a spirit we all were baptized to a body, it are Jews or Greek, it are slaves or free ones, and all with a spirit were soaked.
Because also the body is not a member, but many.
If the foot would speak: Because I am not hand, I do not belong to the body: doesn't it belong therefore to the body?
And if the ear spoke: Because I am not eye, I do not belong to the body: doesn't it belong therefore to the body? If the whole body were eye, where would be the hearing? If completely hearing, where the smell?
Now however God has the members set, each particular of them at the body, as it wanted.
If however everything were a member, where would be the body?
Now however are many members, but a body.
The eye cannot say to the hand: I do not need you; or again the head to the feet: I do not need you; separate if the straight members of the body, which seem to be weaker, are necessary; and to us the fewer respectable at the body to be, surround we seem with more plentiful honour; and our not-decent have larger well-being decentness; our probably-decent however do not need it. But God joined the body and to the more unsatisfactory one larger honour gave,
so that no splitting is in the body, but the members the same concern for each other would have.
And if a member suffers, then all members suffer also; or if a member becomes gentleman light, then all members are also pleased. However are separately taken to it Christ body, and, members.
And the one God in the municipality has set first of all to Aposteln, secondly [others] to prophets, thirdly to teachers, then [miracle] forces, then grace gifts of the healings, assistance, lines, kinds of languages.
Is all Apostel? All prophets? All teachers? Do all [miracle] forces have?
Do all grace gifts of the healings have? Do all talk in languages? Do all lay out?
Eifert however around the larger grace gifts. “
Over the right ranking of the grace gifts:
1 Korinther 13 1:13
„If I in the languages of humans and the angel talk, but no love has, then I became a sounding ore or one sound-end Zimbel.
And if I have instruction saying and knows all secrets and all realization and if I have all faith, so that I shift mountains, but no love have, then I am not anything.
And if I out-divide all my property to the supply [arms] and if I mean body give, so that I am burned, but no love has, then it does not use me anything.
The love is langmütig, the love is good-natured; it does not neidet; the love does not open largely, it blows itself,
it does not behave indecently, it looks for not the their, it lets itself embitter, it does not add bad, it is pleased not over the unfairness, but it is pleased with the truth,
she bears everything, it believes everything, it hopes everything, her everything endures.
The love never passes; there is however instruction saying, them will be away-done; there is languages, them will stop; it is realization, it will be away-done.
Because we recognize by the piece, and we say by the piece; if however the perfect comes, what is by the piece, will be away-done.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, thought like a child, judged like a child; when I became a man, I did away, what was childlike. Because we see now by means of a mirror, indistinctly, then however from face to face. Now I recognize by the piece, then however I will recognize, equal as also I recognized am.
Now however faith, hope, remains love, these three; the largest however of these is the love. “
Already Paulus took the three-division body soul--Spirit forwards.
1 Korinther 12, 4 - 7
„There is however differences of grace gifts, but [it is] the same spirit; and there are differences of services, and [it is] the same gentleman; and there is differences of effects, but [it is] the same God, which work everything in all. “
In the Bible is located over God,
that „of it and by him and to him all things are “. Alpha and omega.
(Röm. 11:36; 1. Kor. 8:6; Kol. 1:16; Hebr. 2: 10)
With all these results and principles is correct
therefore the conviction, the Paulus in its
Areopagrede in Athens to the expression brings: „In it
(God) we live and move “(Apg. 17: 2.
Christ, the son of God, receives and carries all things
by the word of its power (Hebr. 1: 3). The whole
University versum has its „together existence “by it.
„The universe exists together in it “(Kol. 1, 17).
„The universe exists together in (!!!) “a kabbalistische or also however again-Platonic view of God interprets for it (with the Gleichnis of the divinity as ball without delimitation, in which the being end is, on).
After the Bible however both realnesses are, those
visible and the invisible, not at all (in
To equate senses of the Pantheismus), but into one another
verwoben. This causes already the simultaneous
Over worldliness (HP. 93) and inside worldliness of God
(HP. 139) automatically.
„The spirit blows, where it wants. “(Joh. 3. To Joh. 3,8 one edge-notes in the inhabitant of zurich Bible (1982): „In Greek the same word means at the same time `a Wind' and `Geist'. “
There is also the place:
Joh 4,24a „God is spirit,… “
„The spirit do not extinguish, instruction saying despised not; examine however everything, property hold. Of all kind of the bad one keep you far “(1st Thes. 5,19-22)
The catholic church sees in Maria the Biblical shape, to Sonnenweibes' (Offb. 12,1: A large indication in the sky appeared: a woman, in which sun dresses, and which moon under their feet, and on its head a crown of twelve stars), who carries a wreath/ring of 12 stars on the head. Pope Johannes Paul II. said: , Turns we from there again our view of the mother of the redeemer of the world too, the woman of secret revealing of the Johannes, the woman, with the sun bekleidet'. for Marienverehrer is blue the color Mariens. The European flag brings to the expression: Maria is the lady of Europe.
The holy spirit corresponds the Sophia of Old Testament!
The Sophia of Old Testament is the female logos. The holy spirit of the New Testament.
The holy spirit is like the logos Christ (Metathron, Metatronos in Old Testament) the intermediary to God.
The holy spirit (the Sophia RK) finds its terrestrial correspondence in Maria!
Bible places, where the holy spirit (Sophia) acts as a person and steps with other persons into relationship: They see particularly clear e.g. in Joh the 16,13f, where a male pronoun refers on in the Greek neutral word πνευμα the Pneuma (spirit). Röm 8.26 the spirit for us, in Apg 8.39 enters works it wonders, in Joh 16.8 transfers it of the sin. He can be deceived (Apg 5.3), to be betrübt (Eph 4.30), to be gelästert (Mt 12.31). The Apostel uses it in Apg 15.28 together with itself as subject of the sentence („the holy spirit and we have decided… “).
The term Pneuma plays a central role in the person Jesu. Already its Empfängnis happens under effect of the holy spirit (Matthäusevangelium 1.18-20). Of the Pneuma it is driven into the desert, in order the temptations there to resist (Markusevangelium 1.12). As spirit carrier he takes over its public office (Lukasevangelium 4.14); on it now the Pneuma of the Mr. (Mt rests 12,1. With its assistance Jesus in the position is to break the rule of the Satans (Mt 12,2. This does not mean however that Jesus dämonische forces might be subordinated (Mk 3,29f). The Auferweckung Jesu of the dead ones means a transition to its way Pneuma (Roman letter 1.4), with which Jesus is identified as a Mr. (Kyrios) (2nd Korintherbrief 3.17).
In the long run the Christianity is not over the word a thing of the heart and feeling (holy spirit) and the soul… a bare understanding thing.
The Pneuma in the Christian municipality with Paulus
For Paulus is nearly each life expression of the church effect Pneuma. Already with the constitution of the Christian municipality is the Pneuma at the work (1st Korintherbrief 12.13). The Pneuma is a grace gift (charisma), which is differently distributed with the believers (Röm 12.6 FF.). Paulus sets up an order of rank of the charismas and requires its Indienstnahme into the structure of the municipality (1 Kor 12ff.).
Paulus knows also a wrong Pneuma that „from the version bring the municipality and hunt in frights “can (2nd Thessalonicherbrief 2.2). It is „the ability to differentiate between the spirit “(1 Kor 12.10) necessarily.
All the mental its believers carries out itself in the Pneuma. In the faith as eschatologische benediction gift is received and with it „the life “. The Pneuma sanctifies the believing; even their body is „a temple “Pneuma. It means freedom of the rule of the sin, death (Röm 8.2) and the law (Galaterbrief 5,1. The believer may however these in the Pneuma granted freedom not to „the cause for the meat “(Gal 5.13) to take, but is in its moral existence of Pneuma to be led be able (Gal 5,16f). The Pneuma is the foundation of the welfare, but not yet its fulfillment. Paulus calls it from there „Erstlingsgabe “(Röm 8.23) or „Angeld “(2 Kor 1.22) of the total welfare. The believers expect strength of the Pneuma „the hoped for justice “(Gal 5.5) and v.the Auferweckung of the dead ones in a spirit body.
„True, indeed, I says you: who believes in me, which will also do the works, which I do, and he will do still larger than these; because I go to the father. “Johannes 14 12
Roemers 7:6
„However we are detached from the law now, since we died, where we were held, so that we serve in the new one of the spirit and not in the old person of the letter. “
Roemers 8:2
„The law of the spirit of the life in Christ Jesus has you freely made of the law of the sin and death. “
1 Korinther 2:4
„and my speech and my lecture [existed] not in persuading words of the wisdom, but in proving the spirit and Kraft, “
2 Korinther 3:6
„us made also efficient to servants of the new federation, not the letter, but the spirit. Because the letter kills, the spirit however makes alive. “
1 Korinther 12:7
„However revealing the spirit is given to everyone to the use “
1 Korinther 14 1:31
Korinther 12
„Which concerns however the religious [gifts], brothers, then I do not want that it without knowledge are.
_ you know, that it, as it to the heath belong, to which mute Götzenbildern draw, tear.
Therefore I do you kund that nobody, which talks in the spirit of God says: Curse over Jesus! and nobody to say can: Mr. Jesus! except in the holy spirit.
There is however differences of grace gifts, but [it is] the same spirit; and there are differences of services, and [it is] the same gentleman; and there is differences of effects, but [it is] the same God, which work everything in all.
However revealing the spirit is given to everyone to the use.
By the spirit the word of the wisdom is given to the one, another however the word of the realization after the same spirit; another however faith in the same spirit, another however grace gifts of the healings into a spirit, another however [miracle] forces, another however instruction saying, another however distinctions of the spirit; another however [different] kinds of languages, another however interpretation of the languages. All of this however influences and the same spirit and divides everyone particularly out, as he wants.
Because like the body one is and many members has, all members of the body however, although many are, a body: so also the Christ.
Because in a spirit we all were baptized to a body, it are Jews or Greek, it are slaves or free ones, and all with a spirit were soaked.
Because also the body is not a member, but many.
If the foot would speak: Because I am not hand, I do not belong to the body: doesn't it belong therefore to the body?
And if the ear spoke: Because I am not eye, I do not belong to the body: doesn't it belong therefore to the body? If the whole body were eye, where would be the hearing? If completely hearing, where the smell?
Now however God has the members set, each particular of them at the body, as it wanted.
If however everything were a member, where would be the body?
Now however are many members, but a body.
The eye cannot say to the hand: I do not need you; or again the head to the feet: I do not need you; separate if the straight members of the body, which seem to be weaker, are necessary; and to us the fewer respectable at the body to be, surround we seem with more plentiful honour; and our not-decent have larger well-being decentness; our probably-decent however do not need it. But God joined the body and to the more unsatisfactory one larger honour gave,
so that no splitting is in the body, but the members the same concern for each other would have.
And if a member suffers, then all members suffer also; or if a member becomes gentleman light, then all members are also pleased. However are separately taken to it Christ body, and, members.
And the one God in the municipality has set first of all to Aposteln, secondly [others] to prophets, thirdly to teachers, then [miracle] forces, then grace gifts of the healings, assistance, lines, kinds of languages.
Is all Apostel? All prophets? All teachers? Do all [miracle] forces have?
Do all grace gifts of the healings have? Do all talk in languages? Do all lay out?
Eifert however around the larger grace gifts. “
Over the right ranking of the grace gifts:
1 Korinther 13 1:13
„If I in the languages of humans and the angel talk, but no love has, then I became a sounding ore or one sound-end Zimbel.
And if I have instruction saying and knows all secrets and all realization and if I have all faith, so that I shift mountains, but no love have, then I am not anything.
And if I out-divide all my property to the supply [arms] and if I mean body give, so that I am burned, but no love has, then it does not use me anything.
The love is langmütig, the love is good-natured; it does not neidet; the love does not open largely, it blows itself,
it does not behave indecently, it looks for not the their, it lets itself embitter, it does not add bad, it is pleased not over the unfairness, but it is pleased with the truth,
she bears everything, it believes everything, it hopes everything, her everything endures.
The love never passes; there is however instruction saying, them will be away-done; there is languages, them will stop; it is realization, it will be away-done.
Because we recognize by the piece, and we say by the piece; if however the perfect comes, what is by the piece, will be away-done.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, thought like a child, judged like a child; when I became a man, I did away, what was childlike. Because we see now by means of a mirror, indistinctly, then however from face to face. Now I recognize by the piece, then however I will recognize, equal as also I recognized am.
Now however faith, hope, remains love, these three; the largest however of these is the love. “
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2 reader opinions:Wednesday, 5 September 2007 18:09
Bokrug †: Already…
… in the genesis RK is located the holy spirit in female Hebrew word form… furthermore is called it expressly, which it BRED over the water!
Wednesday, 5 September 2007 08:40
GerdEric: @Bokrug
If Paulus writes of Pneuma, then that is because of the fact that the NT is written in Gruechi, if you write of its Götzin Sophia, then is because of your Synkretismus.
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