Maria, by whom according to statement of the angel the holy spirit works, stands in analogy to the Sophia and to the Ruach Elohim RK… the sun woman of the Apokalypse.
Maria does not carry a blue coat in vain and has 12 stars over the head - which also the European flag make a fuss.
Friday, 28 September 2007 16:34
Bokrug †: Maria: Mother of the church (Rome)
Of Jesaja announced heavenly indications of the birth Jesu, „the seed “(son) „of the woman “(Marias), the Johannes to the Ascension Day Jesu was pointed consciously again in a vision on the Mediterranean island Patmos. In 12. Chapter of revealing, the last book of the Bible, writes Johannes:
„And a large indication appeared in the sky: A woman, who was wrapped into the sun (N radiation), and which moon stood under its feet, and on its head (was) a wreath/ring of twelve stars. And it is more pregnant and walks into birth-sore and into pain (and is) to bear… and it bore a son, a male (child), who will guard all nations once with iron staff. “
In this vision Johannes sees Maria (Mirjam) again in the review the constellation at the time of the birth Jesu, which was indicated „to the virgin in the sky indicationful by a new star in the lap “, when - in the evening 30 of August 2 v.Chr. - the moon straight stood under her feet and the constellation over-radiated the sun. Even the wreath/ring of 12 stars on the head „of the virgin “is in the sky this star ring on sky-blue reason became material available as well known the emblem united Europe (European Union) of the chosen.
Holy spirit:
The denomination of the Hl. Spirit (EXPRESS) as a PERSON in the NT is provable.
The translation from the Greek original text is not at all ambiguously possible that, for mistake.
The proof was already led here in the forum.
But on occasion poste I it gladly again.
To the Sophia of Old Testament:
The late writings of the first (old persons) will know a womanlike personifizierte divine shape, the wisdom (hebr. Chokmah; griech. Sophia).
http://www.kreuzer-siegfried.de/texte-zum-at/weisheit-tbl.pdf
Interesting is now the following:
JHWH is understood as the creator divinity, who does not resemble a thing in the world and human conception.
Joh 4,24a „God is spirit,… “
Thus also over the sex differences stands.
It is called often „abba “, father, however actually possesses no human sex (or however covers both, loud relig. Theory in Jews and Christianity).
Thus the mental „Urgrund of all things is not “, by any means a father divinity, even if she were understood frequently in such a way in patriarchalischen societies.
JHWH (the divinity, „I is in me “, „I is from me out, „I brings in the existence “) is thus as the highest consciousness or spirit the original unit.
According to Bible however now a twoness goes out out of this unit (from there it the thought of the Trinität - the three-agreement).
Indeed „logos “and „Sophia “(spirit of God, holy spirit).
Jesus is „logos “(already in Old Testament mentions). „The word of “God, by which everything became to create, God act, „the soul of the world “and „eternity “.
Jesus as humans is the Inkarnation „logos “.
„In the Johannesevangelium the term logo on Jesus Christ as >Wort Gottes< used. The central place for this log OS understanding forms the hymnische pro log of the Johannesevangeliums (Joh 1.1-1… “
There are various translation and interpretation possibilities for the term: Word, reason, spirit, God, term, infinitely, divine principle etc.
„The holy spirit “is God love, those in Old Testament wisdom already mentioned (Sophia!) God (beside logos). Its Alliebe. From JHWH and the son developed.
The holy spirit is mentioned by the way in RK already in „the genesis “.
„And God spirit floated over landing on water “. (God, one could not describe the spirit vielleichta LS a Emanation of God).
Word being located in the Hebrew original text there for „spirit the “stands interestingly enough in the female Kasus!
Unusually.
But thus the fertilizing, life-donating should probably be expressed effect from God spirit.
To a certain extent the female aspects of God.
Therefore „the spirit of God “(its love and wisdom) can be quite understood beschreibar as with female characteristics (it came also over Maria and into it and witnessed Jesus, as if logos inkarnierten). While Jesus was the meat-nascent „word of God “, Maria („the unbefleckte Empfängnis refers to its birth, freely from all sin, by Elizabeth, not to Jesus, in the NT) was fulfilled from the holy spirit, which Jesus sent to its Kreuzigung the Jüngern and all humans.
While those is over sexual alone divinity, „the logos “(word, act, soul of the world) and „the Sophia “(the spirit, the love and wisdom) is probably God the first twoness. Not however nature one with it.
Old Testament: Sayings Salomonis 8,22-31
- „the wisdom “- hebr. châkemâ, griech. (LXX) sophia, lat. (Vulgata) sapientia speaks:
there 22.Der gentleman has me had in the beginning of its ways - before it created something, was I.
Completely:
>There the gentleman has me had in the beginning of his ways - before it created something, was I.
I am inserted from eternity - from beginning, before the earth.
Since the depths yet were not, since was I already born - there the wells yet with water did not pour.
Before the mountains were encompassed - before the hills I was born. there it had not made the earth yet and which on it actual still the mountains of the ground.
Since it prepared the skies, I was daselbst - there he the depth with its goal seized
Since it festete the clouds up there - there it festete the wells of the depth,
there it the sea the goal set and a landing on water - that they do not exceed its instruction,
and my desire had daily - and played before it all time
and played on his ground - and my desire was with the Menschenkindern<
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1.1 - 1,13 fuel element-re'schijt
1., 2nd and 3rd creation day
(Genesis 1.1 - 2,4a)
This song is often seen as sober Gegenwurf to the old-eastern myths of the Kanaanäer and Babylonier; Scarceness and Untertreibung of the expression consolidate however and clarify the song-detention-periodic and consciously counted over formulations (e.g. seven times the verb root b-r ').
With all Brevitas the world formation is described as organic arrangement, which is related to the internal differentiations of an embryo (Blastula, Gastrula and further separation and a folding procedures). Indeed the stoisch educated church fathers regarded „the Hexahemeron “(six-day's work) as the creation draft still within the wisdom, as internal discussion of the paternal mütterlichen divinity, particularly the wisdom (sayings, chapters as creation word, as logos „in the lap of the father “, one identified. Thus this could be seen „week “of the first genesis chapter with the completely different consequence of the second and third genesis chapter in agreement: The concretisation of the plants and animals takes place (in this synopsis by editorship and reception) then only, with humans not (only) as last Gleichnisbild of the God, but as first guard and name Rufer in the midst of „the garden of the desire “.
Remarkably also „the Urflut “three (already proverbial) „tohwu wâ bohwu “, „tehowm “(THWM) and „mâjim “, those for creation to be mastered - altogether mythologische memories of the Babylonian Tiâmat (see also the management and arranging canalization „of waters “in the Theophanie at the end of the Hiob), in addition, otherwise a popular at the beginning and basic motive of old creation songs, is in the process it in the expression „gap var ginnunga “the old-Germanic Völuspa, is it „gahanam gabhîram “the old-Indian Rgveda, comparably also „the chaos “in the creation beginning of the Theogonie Hesiods or in Ovids metamorphosis.
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> and Odem of God breeding over the face of the Wasser<
Odem stands here in hebr. Original text as „spirit of God “unusual-proves in the female form. Also the word „breeding “suggests fruitful-female aspects of bearing.
I ask myself now:
Can „logos “(rather provided with male aspects and characteristics) and „Sophia “(the holy spirit, rather provided with female aspects and characteristics) as a classical polarity to be understood?
There were as can be prove in the development of the monotheistischen Judentums influences of Egyptians (see also Moses and late Jesus in Egypt, according to Bible) and Medern and Persern (above all the likewise monotheistische Zoroastrismus or Zaratusthrismus, after the prophet Zaratusthra approx. 1200 before. Chr.).
Christ was visited not in vain with his birth by chaldäischen Sterndeutern and gehuldigt him.
Already in RK is put on the Pythagorean Zahlenmystik and the Merkabah Mystik - in their tradition Jesus Christ and its Trinitätslehre stood -.
Thus:
The original, all-penetrating spirit, from that the world comes out (JHWH, „Jahwe “, „I is which I is in me “).
The original unit. El and/or Ruach Elohim as God Abrahams, Isaaks and Jakob.
Then as its first two radiant emittances (Emanationen).
„Logos “(later the inkarnierte Christ) and „the Sophia “(wisdom of God, in the genesis mentioned and with female form described „spirit of God “, „the holy spirit “).
„And a large indication appeared in the sky: A woman, who was wrapped into the sun (N radiation), and which moon stood under its feet, and on its head (was) a wreath/ring of twelve stars. And it is more pregnant and walks into birth-sore and into pain (and is) to bear… and it bore a son, a male (child), who will guard all nations once with iron staff. “
In this vision Johannes sees Maria (Mirjam) again in the review the constellation at the time of the birth Jesu, which was indicated „to the virgin in the sky indicationful by a new star in the lap “, when - in the evening 30 of August 2 v.Chr. - the moon straight stood under her feet and the constellation over-radiated the sun. Even the wreath/ring of 12 stars on the head „of the virgin “is in the sky this star ring on sky-blue reason became material available as well known the emblem united Europe (European Union) of the chosen.
Holy spirit:
The denomination of the Hl. Spirit (EXPRESS) as a PERSON in the NT is provable.
The translation from the Greek original text is not at all ambiguously possible that, for mistake.
The proof was already led here in the forum.
But on occasion poste I it gladly again.
To the Sophia of Old Testament:
The late writings of the first (old persons) will know a womanlike personifizierte divine shape, the wisdom (hebr. Chokmah; griech. Sophia).
http://www.kreuzer-siegfried.de/texte-zum-at/weisheit-tbl.pdf
Interesting is now the following:
JHWH is understood as the creator divinity, who does not resemble a thing in the world and human conception.
Joh 4,24a „God is spirit,… “
Thus also over the sex differences stands.
It is called often „abba “, father, however actually possesses no human sex (or however covers both, loud relig. Theory in Jews and Christianity).
Thus the mental „Urgrund of all things is not “, by any means a father divinity, even if she were understood frequently in such a way in patriarchalischen societies.
JHWH (the divinity, „I is in me “, „I is from me out, „I brings in the existence “) is thus as the highest consciousness or spirit the original unit.
According to Bible however now a twoness goes out out of this unit (from there it the thought of the Trinität - the three-agreement).
Indeed „logos “and „Sophia “(spirit of God, holy spirit).
Jesus is „logos “(already in Old Testament mentions). „The word of “God, by which everything became to create, God act, „the soul of the world “and „eternity “.
Jesus as humans is the Inkarnation „logos “.
„In the Johannesevangelium the term logo on Jesus Christ as >Wort Gottes< used. The central place for this log OS understanding forms the hymnische pro log of the Johannesevangeliums (Joh 1.1-1… “
There are various translation and interpretation possibilities for the term: Word, reason, spirit, God, term, infinitely, divine principle etc.
„The holy spirit “is God love, those in Old Testament wisdom already mentioned (Sophia!) God (beside logos). Its Alliebe. From JHWH and the son developed.
The holy spirit is mentioned by the way in RK already in „the genesis “.
„And God spirit floated over landing on water “. (God, one could not describe the spirit vielleichta LS a Emanation of God).
Word being located in the Hebrew original text there for „spirit the “stands interestingly enough in the female Kasus!
Unusually.
But thus the fertilizing, life-donating should probably be expressed effect from God spirit.
To a certain extent the female aspects of God.
Therefore „the spirit of God “(its love and wisdom) can be quite understood beschreibar as with female characteristics (it came also over Maria and into it and witnessed Jesus, as if logos inkarnierten). While Jesus was the meat-nascent „word of God “, Maria („the unbefleckte Empfängnis refers to its birth, freely from all sin, by Elizabeth, not to Jesus, in the NT) was fulfilled from the holy spirit, which Jesus sent to its Kreuzigung the Jüngern and all humans.
While those is over sexual alone divinity, „the logos “(word, act, soul of the world) and „the Sophia “(the spirit, the love and wisdom) is probably God the first twoness. Not however nature one with it.
Old Testament: Sayings Salomonis 8,22-31
- „the wisdom “- hebr. châkemâ, griech. (LXX) sophia, lat. (Vulgata) sapientia speaks:
there 22.Der gentleman has me had in the beginning of its ways - before it created something, was I.
Completely:
>There the gentleman has me had in the beginning of his ways - before it created something, was I.
I am inserted from eternity - from beginning, before the earth.
Since the depths yet were not, since was I already born - there the wells yet with water did not pour.
Before the mountains were encompassed - before the hills I was born. there it had not made the earth yet and which on it actual still the mountains of the ground.
Since it prepared the skies, I was daselbst - there he the depth with its goal seized
Since it festete the clouds up there - there it festete the wells of the depth,
there it the sea the goal set and a landing on water - that they do not exceed its instruction,
and my desire had daily - and played before it all time
and played on his ground - and my desire was with the Menschenkindern<
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.1 - 1,13 fuel element-re'schijt
1., 2nd and 3rd creation day
(Genesis 1.1 - 2,4a)
This song is often seen as sober Gegenwurf to the old-eastern myths of the Kanaanäer and Babylonier; Scarceness and Untertreibung of the expression consolidate however and clarify the song-detention-periodic and consciously counted over formulations (e.g. seven times the verb root b-r ').
With all Brevitas the world formation is described as organic arrangement, which is related to the internal differentiations of an embryo (Blastula, Gastrula and further separation and a folding procedures). Indeed the stoisch educated church fathers regarded „the Hexahemeron “(six-day's work) as the creation draft still within the wisdom, as internal discussion of the paternal mütterlichen divinity, particularly the wisdom (sayings, chapters as creation word, as logos „in the lap of the father “, one identified. Thus this could be seen „week “of the first genesis chapter with the completely different consequence of the second and third genesis chapter in agreement: The concretisation of the plants and animals takes place (in this synopsis by editorship and reception) then only, with humans not (only) as last Gleichnisbild of the God, but as first guard and name Rufer in the midst of „the garden of the desire “.
Remarkably also „the Urflut “three (already proverbial) „tohwu wâ bohwu “, „tehowm “(THWM) and „mâjim “, those for creation to be mastered - altogether mythologische memories of the Babylonian Tiâmat (see also the management and arranging canalization „of waters “in the Theophanie at the end of the Hiob), in addition, otherwise a popular at the beginning and basic motive of old creation songs, is in the process it in the expression „gap var ginnunga “the old-Germanic Völuspa, is it „gahanam gabhîram “the old-Indian Rgveda, comparably also „the chaos “in the creation beginning of the Theogonie Hesiods or in Ovids metamorphosis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> and Odem of God breeding over the face of the Wasser<
Odem stands here in hebr. Original text as „spirit of God “unusual-proves in the female form. Also the word „breeding “suggests fruitful-female aspects of bearing.
I ask myself now:
Can „logos “(rather provided with male aspects and characteristics) and „Sophia “(the holy spirit, rather provided with female aspects and characteristics) as a classical polarity to be understood?
There were as can be prove in the development of the monotheistischen Judentums influences of Egyptians (see also Moses and late Jesus in Egypt, according to Bible) and Medern and Persern (above all the likewise monotheistische Zoroastrismus or Zaratusthrismus, after the prophet Zaratusthra approx. 1200 before. Chr.).
Christ was visited not in vain with his birth by chaldäischen Sterndeutern and gehuldigt him.
Already in RK is put on the Pythagorean Zahlenmystik and the Merkabah Mystik - in their tradition Jesus Christ and its Trinitätslehre stood -.
Thus:
The original, all-penetrating spirit, from that the world comes out (JHWH, „Jahwe “, „I is which I is in me “).
The original unit. El and/or Ruach Elohim as God Abrahams, Isaaks and Jakob.
Then as its first two radiant emittances (Emanationen).
„Logos “(later the inkarnierte Christ) and „the Sophia “(wisdom of God, in the genesis mentioned and with female form described „spirit of God “, „the holy spirit “).
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