Les variation de la formule baptismale dans la désignation the Personnes of divines, qui divergent the formules bibliques et qui sont prises EN considération dans les présentes réponses, proviennent de ce qu'on appeals la théologie féministe, qui évite de dire Père et Fils sous le prétexte qu'il s'agit de mots masculins, EN jouant sur le neutre de la langue anglaise. Or ceci renverse la foi trinitaire “.
„The alterations of the baptizing formula so far it the designations of the divine persons concerns and which from the biblichen text deviate,…, originates from what one calls toolistic theology. They avoid the terms father and son under the pretext, this are male terms and play from there with the Neutrum of the English language. However this throws the faith in those the Trinität completely over the heap. “

INVALIDITE DE FORMULE OF BAPTISMALES

CITE YOU DAD CAN, 29 FEV 2008 (VIS). Voici of les réponses de la Congrégation pour la doctrine de la foi à certaines questions relative à la validité you baptême conféré selon les formules suivantes, différente de celle fixée:

La première question: le baptême conféré selon les formules suivantes est IL valide?

- „I baptize you Creator in the name OF, and OF the Redeemer, and OF the Sanctifier “; - „I baptize you Creator in the name OF, and OF the Liberator, and OF the Sustainer “.

La seconde question: Les of personnes ayant reçu ce type de baptême doivent elles être absolument RH-baptisées?

Les of réponses sont: négative pour la première, affirmative pour la seconde.

Lors de l'audience concédée outer Cardinal William Joseph Levada, Préfet de la Congrégation, Benoît XVI A approuvé ces réponses élaborés lors de la session ordinaire you dicastère, et ordonné leur publication. Elles portent la signature you Cardinal Préfet et de Mgr.Angelo Amato, Secrétaire you dicastère.

Une note précise que ces réponses font référence outer doute de validité de baptêmes conférés avec ces formules anglaises dans l'Eglise catholique… Le doute ne concerne pas la langue corn la formule même, qui pourrait être exprimée EN of d'autres langues.

„Le baptême conféré outer nom you Père, you Fils et de l'Esprit Saint obéit outer mandate de Jésus, rapporté à la fin de l'Evangile de Matthieu “et „la „formule baptismale doit more exprimer expressément la foi trinitaire et non de manière approximate “.

„Les variation de la formule baptismale dans la désignation the Personnes of divines, qui divergent the formules bibliques et qui sont prises EN considération dans les présentes réponses, proviennent de ce qu'on appeals la théologie féministe, qui évite de dire Père et Fils sous le prétexte qu'il s'agit de mots masculins, EN jouant sur le neutre de la langue anglaise. Or ceci renverse la foi trinitaire “.

„Les of réponses de la Congrégation… constituent une déclaration doctrinale authentique aux très larges effets canoniques et pastoraux, affirmant implicitement que les personnes baptisées ou qui le seraient outer moyen de ces dites formules n'auront EN réalité pas reçu ce sacrement. Par conséquent, elles devront être traitées à tous effets canoniques et pastoraux selon les critères juridiques you code de droit canonique relatifs à la catégorie générale non baptisés “.
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We ask here, if thus these baptism are invalid, how the Vatikan say, because one sets attributive expressions, which concern all three divine persons nevertheless, to the place of the family names, which is from bishop dedicating to then hold, where one the attribute Kraft as synonym of the holy spirit used?
We refer here again to the new expenditure of RORE SANCTIFICA II, where one is concerned extensively with this problem:

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Pages 39-41, 46, 94, 102, 111-117, 124-127, 130

Just as few, as one can donate a baptism, as attributive terms replaced the family names, can in one bishop-dedicates happens, because father, son and holy spirit are a Kraft and Wesenheit.

Karl Murx: I do not know at all, what you want

I you nevertheless answered that Meisner my theses to be present and who wants to always disprove that can myself everything with us download. Everything is public with us.

Yes, we asked even the Dominikaner of Avrillé to publish their theses in our side. Dr. David Berger might also. Everyone can do that. In view of the fact of the public accesibility of our studies, show its remarks, who you are: a schnippischer, complacent Ösi, from which there are so many.

But again to them:

apparent you are not able to differentiate between the notionalen application of a term and its essential application regarding the Trinität. Therefore you are the latter, which can express itself in addition.

By the way, exactly this discernment lacking was the cause of the reprimand of the holy Pope Dionysius to the address of its name cousin in Alexandrien.

Same is valid for the today usual mixture of notionaler love and natureful internal-divine love. The whole theology of H.U. v. Balthasar is based on it.

Alois bishop: From the editorship removes

Benedikt: *gähn*

Murx and its infinite topic.

Pater Lingen: The FRG appreciated the proofs for the invalidity of the V2 „consecrations “expressly.

In my announcement against „the German bishop conference “I refer to the appropriate investigations concerning „the new bishop-dedicate “. In addition already two SA places expressed themselves, u.z with KzM sufficiently admitted „Zeißner “and „Anselmann “; lastly writes:

„… I communicate that your groundless expressions do not give me a reason investigations to enter. The lining up of sense-free remarks does not justify to-calibrating actual reference points for a criminal offence (see § 152 paragraph 2 StPO). Faithfully “

Karl Murx: Dear Alois,

to first, I am not the leader of a Sedisvakantistenszene.

To second:

why should I send all this to the occupying power to Rome? Is the one instance? Tridentinus wants to give that everything to one of its professors, what is rather all the same to me however. Times sees, what from its promises becomes.

Then cardinal Meisner had quite requested my work some time ago. File reference Jr. - No. 101,032 I 81

Since that is only one attempt of a refutation undertaken, by having quasi put underneath the Dominikanern of Avrillé the documents for refutation.

Our answer was the complete copy of all documents in Trier with German liturgical Institut for the topic, as well as their evaluation.

Since this time we control the scene and the topic. The decision of the Okkupanten in the Vatikan to the baptism is the genialiste through pass for our arguments at all. Also David Bergers book „THOMISMUS “helped us very much. Thank you, Mr. Dr.Berger!

Alois bishop: Why the Sedisvakantistenszene has

under your guidance itself not yet in a letter with appendix of the statements of the unscientific layman-theological writings `Rore Sanctifica' turned to the Glaubenskongregation or the Kongregation for the service to the examination? Or do you have fear that the own statements might be again-put, and those Sedisvakantismus thesis (by association etc. guilt among other things) again entkraftet?