Thursday, 3 April 2008 18:15
Scheblimini: The sea-battle of Inebahti (Lepanto)
Geopolitical reasons and effects of an apparently religiously superelevated battle.
In the course of the raging crusade tendency in the west the military defeats and still more are gotten out the victories „the West “against the Islamic armies of the historical (relative) forgetfulness. An actually meaning turn in the history of the West like Al Islam took place on 7 October 1571 at Lepanto (Inebahti), although to a large extent in completely different sense than it the liking gladly cross knights today to admit wants. I a straight thesis (diploma) read, which was written at the University of Vienna, and which moves the Ottoman neglected culpably by the western stories research sources in the center of the view (Ibrahim Celik, the sea-battle of Lepanto (Inebahti) 1571 (979). The fight around the supremacy in the Mediterranean with special consideration of the Ottoman sources and the Turkish literature; Vienna September 2007.) However I represent not the detail results, which before concern the organization of the Ottoman navy and the possible reasons for the defeat of in terms of figures probably superior and always victorious Osmanen, but regard the larger geopolitical framework.
First the author asks the entitled question like a classical eurasische land power like the Turks at all to a maritime size to ascend could. The Turks a nomadisches rider people were actual in the center of the continent, which applied after conflicts with the Chinese neighbours on the way into the west, three realms met, from which it could subject two and because of third failed. First „the heidnischen “(schamanistisch coined/shaped) Turks defeated the Arabs, afterwards they conquered rapidly the eastern half of the eastRoman realm, only fell importantly later also - already devastated by a catholic crusade - the capital Byzanz. When the Turks had taken over now not only the coat of the Kalifats, but also had begun the inheritance of Rome (see Claudio mummy, Roma dopo Roma; Eurasia, N.2, 2005), wanted to take over them understandably also the western half of the eastRoman realm, and pushed thereby on the competition of the holy Roman realm of German nation, which finally led them to before Vienna, where the dream smashed of the reunification of west and east Rome in the Ottoman Kalifat in the year 1683 at an alliance of catholic Königtümer forged by the Pope, and the descent of the Osmanen progressed to „the ill man at the Bosporos “now historically rapidly. All these realm conquests, the two successful and the failed, let the Turks appear as a land army, at which the religious requirement represents only Tünche - after the victory over the Muslims they accepted their religion, one can upon speculate whether they would have accepted like the Magyaren also the Christian religion, if they were encountered a Christian realm first. During the FE storage of the German realm Reich Vienna they had Protestant Hungary as a result and of the allerkatholischsten France were tacitly supported. With Inebahti now actually catholic and Muslim fleets faced, this however only because the Vorfühlen of the Pope around an alliance with Arabs excluding and Persern had led to no success.
How now did the impressive and war-established Landheer of the Turks come to a fleet, which ascended very rapidly to the most powerful fleet of the eastern half of the Mediterranean? By the Greeks naturally, who - religion or ago - made their knowledge and their experience in building of ships, handels and war shipping, which they had acquired as classical sea power, to the Osmanen available. On Turkish side admiral Piri rice in the organization of the navy did and above all to cartography out. Its maps of the beginning 16. Century are today famous, because they show the entire east coast America (nevertheless after Columbus however in the accuracy nevertheless more than surprisingly) and allegedly even the outlines of the ice-free Antarctic (see: Charles H. Hapgood, the maps of the world of the old sailors, Frankfurt/Main 2002).
The Ottoman realm attained rapidly the supremacy over the eastern Mediterranean, had however the island Cyprus as permanent annoyance before its house gate. Annoyance therefore because from there „Christian “Korsaren on sea-booty went out, which obstructed the trade with Egypt (this the economic basis) and the Pilgerfahrt after Mekka at the same time made driveful (this the religious justification). „Christian actually did not remain themselves “and „Muslim “pirates in the service of the respective sea power, thus as Korsaren, for anything guiltily. The religious Tünche is ever more than thin thereby, and actually the Piratenmacht No. 1, used England, also Moroccan Korsaren against Spanish trading vessels. The plan of the conquest of Cyprus by the Turks is thus rationally more justified, and the cause does not have to be looked for in any Suren Koran, exactly the same as the Christian piracy, which proceeded from Cyprus, not in the gospel was well-founded.
The sea-battle of Lepanto is only one mosaic stone in the context of the conquest of Cyprus, actually could one mean a little more important, because the conquest of Cyprus succeeded. The fruitful island with the famous wine - after exclusive fables circulating in the west a Jew should have caused as benefit-joyfully well-known Sultan with the promise of the Cyprus wine conquest - was integrated after some centuries foreign rule again the Al Islam, which among other things to it led that the Fronarbeit of the farmers was abolished, and whom orthodox church received again the old rights and goods, who had taken the catholic zealots from her away.
The sea-battle of Inebahti took place on Ottoman side under strange circumstances. The command was taken off just now from experienced sea-commanders and transferred to generals of the ground forces. In addition it is to have played a role that in the autumn the Ruderer were already very exhausted. Anyhow it, „to the holy league “, succeeded which was strengthened by strong rose wreath/ring praying - were the anniversary of the Gemetzels at on side „holy the league “8000 dead ones and on side of the Muslims 20000 dead ones to deplore, from there of the catholic church annually as „rose wreath/ring holiday “committed -, to destroy a large part of the Ottoman fleet.
In the result that means that the Osmanen paid the removal of the Korsarenbedrohung on Kibris (Cyprus) now with the loss of its sea-sovereignty. The Mediterranean trade was altogether weakened. The high gate saw itself compelling, so-called „surrenders “, trade privileges to foreign powers to assign to England and the Netherlands. The Atlantic influence on the Mediterranean area increased in the consequence of the battle of Inebahti. Not only the conquest of Cyprus was a Pyrrhussieg for the Turks, but also the battle of Inebahti had thus its laughing third: the Protestant, Atlantic sea powers. There is thus also on European-catholic side little reason to high-stylize „the battle of Lepanto “to the paradigm for the argument with „the Islam “. Actually it opened the inferiority and fear complex of the evening country before the Turk broken - still 100 years before the battle at the bald mountain -, in addition, the way to the anglo-saxon invasion of the European Mare Nostrum by the weakening of the prominent power of the Mediterranean area. A renewed argument between the southEuropean and Arab-Turkish side did not become other result produces.
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Sunday, 13 April 2008 13:16
HarroMeyer: The battle of Lepanto was a legacy of Karl V
to its illegitimate son, the duke of Östereich, (witnessed in Augsburg), in order to terminate the piracy in the Mediterranean, which the Osmanen did not get into the grasp, it even with licenses supported. The largest and best 7 ships, which decided the battle, the Republic of Venice the fleet of the Osmanen was only a loose zusammengewürfelter heap placed of pirates, to the naval warfare guidance completely unaquainted and therefore without each chance. A problem were the chained Christians as Ruderer on osm. Galeeren, why the Christians set up special rescue ships. It went around the free trade into östl. Mediterranean, not around the Islam.
Friday, 4 April 2008 23:39
Anita Berber †: Dear Scheblimini,
The Turks a nomadisches rider people were actual in the center of the continent, which applied after conflicts with the Chinese neighbours on the way into the west, three realms met, from which it could subject two and because of third failed.

With it they probably mean the Hunnensturm. This only touched Europe. But the Hunnen is entrenched in the collective memory even here. With full force it seized and practically completely destroyed the Islamic realms. At this point, at which the national order had come practically completely to succumbing, the ascent of the lawyers took place to central shapes Islam.
The gossip of the house Islam by the way makes nervous. That sounds after propaganda. With Islam that did not have to do nothing at all. Just as little like the Viennese or France etc. for the Christianity fought. That was only propaganda.
Friday, 4 April 2008 10:43
methusalix †: Really one „important turn “???
An actually meaning turn in the history of the West…

There are some historians (and above all the contemporaries of the fighters of Lepanto) of quite different opinion.

For the Turks and your power the defeat was actually much less important of Lepanto to avoid (in order the word Lappalie), when the victory of catholic power had psychological meaning. Letztdenlich kept the Turks Konstantinopel and rum, because they were still importantly stronger as land power than the Christians. As the first sea power of the Mediterranean they were however no longer presentable.
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